JAN-PRO Franchise Complaints

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• “fight the injustice all you want and do it the proper way, don’t take accounts, don’t take money, don’t destroy the livelihood of a bunch of “innocent” people. (owner/operators)”

  That’s a very Socialist viewpoint… how out of character for a Tea-Bagger! This is capitalism, Flip-Flop. The accounts should go to the company that can provide the very best service for the lowest price. If FJPOM can win away these accounts it won’t be because he knows the super-secret pricing formula, it will be because he won’t have the 20% Scam Tax going to those that aren’t doing any of the work.

  I’m rooting for FJPOM to win the accounts and hire the Jan-Pro “owner/operators” (lol) to do the work so they at least will get paid for their time. The customers will win with lower prices, better service and more stability since the Master won’t be moving the account from franchisee-victim to franchisee-victim.

• SEIU: Well now wait a second, if they “Jan-Pro” and the other “Big 3” are continually underbidding accounts, then How in the Hell is there any room to go LOWER? What’s this, a slip of the tongue, you didn’t mean to imply that the accounts aren’t UNDERBID. Ok… Well here’s another one for you. Let’s “Hire” the owner/operators from Jan-Pro to clean the accounts” Well, wait a second, if those same accounts are now underbid by an additional 20%, if those accounts are already underbid, then at best those “owner/operators” would be getting minimum wage RIGHT? Well, wait a minute, don’t they have to have taxes taken out? Or are we in the SOCIALIST state were the workers don’t pay taxes. Hold on, EVERYONE has to pay Medicare/medicaid RIGHT? Well wait a minute if he “under bids” , ” pays minimum wage” and has to cut the hours in order for the company that he currently works for to make some money, how in the HELL can the former owner/operators be able to have enough time to clean the facility?

  Here’s another one for you SEIU, How does that benefit you and 1st amendment? In one posting, as misguided by honest as it is you’ve managed to “dispell” the following MYTHS being spewed by you, your attorneys, 1st amendment and others:

  1. Accounts can’t be too far underbid, if there’s still room for former Jan-Pro Operations Manager to “steal them away”.

  2. It’s ok for the owner/operators to get “other work” as they still have their Jan-Pro based business.

  3. They must know what they are doing since not only can they do it for Jan-Pro but they can do it quicker, faster and with less money when they go to work for the company taking Jan-Pro’s place.

  You continue to amaze me with your STUPIDITY and lack of knowledge about our business. You continue to amaze me with your ARROGANCE and your VENGEFUL SPIRIT. SEIU you are an amazing individual.

• Former Jan-Pro Operations Manager: Take your frustration and your HURT out on the Owner. Embarass him however you want, post on this site, post on other sites, write his owner/operators letters, write Jan-Pro corporate letters, write other Jan-Pro Masters letters, Call Webster, Write Webster, Write the BBB, Write anyone and everyone about the CRAP this person is doing and has done. If you have the right to take legal action, do so.

  But at the end of the day, you know I’m right when I say the only ones that will get hurt by you taking the accounts, by you utilzing known information for your own good and the good of your current owner, is the OWNER/OPERATORS!!!!!

  SEIU, UNLIKE you, I actually understand the BIG PICTURE. You Don’t or worse, You Don’t CARE!!!!!! I’ll ask it one more time, WHAT’S NEXT? Not the garbage, leave the garbage out of the conversation, What’s Next, what is your gameplan for the thirty thousand plus owner/operators currently in the system, what about their money, what about their investment, what about their children, what about THEM!!!!!!

• To jerry who said that he is an insider with jan-pro

  Jerry you liar. This is the second time you say that you are leaving for ever and not posting ever again. You threw a tantrum last week and said that you would not be coming back. Now you know why I call you a snot nose Hipotric little monkey.

  You said that you would never be coming back. You said that you would never post again. You said that we would not see you here again. Liar, Liar, Liar. How many more lies have you told us and how many more will you tell us.

  You are not a man of your word you are only a screaming little monkey.

  Twice you said that you would not be coming back and here you are again.

  The word out in the street is that the check that the franchisor gave you BOUNCED! Just like the ladies who came out on Telemundo who got a Bounced check from jan-pro. So you had to threaten them by coming in here and saying that you would not be posting anymore and that you would be gone forever. I guess the franchisor finally relented and paid you cash to come in here and post your monkey dung once again.

• 1st amendment: I’ve told you this in the past, but I guess you don’t listen, when you make “monkey references” you really lose any/what little validity of argument you might actually have.

  Now onto the “serious” topics of the day and what this post is supposed to be about:

  Current and Future Owner/Operators, Listen to me and then CHECK it out for yourselves:

  1. FDD is not that difficult to read or understand. Review it, take your time, if you still don’t understand it, spend a $100.00 and take it to an attorney to review it for you.

  2. No one is “forcing” you to do anything. Do your Due Dilligence. If you don’t feel comfortable, if you don’t think this business is for you, if you don’t like the “master” and/or his Management Team, DONT DO IT!!!!!

  3. Make sure that you understand that IF you do Sign, the Policy and Procedures aspect of the FDD is very important. This part actually works best when presented as a way of how communication between you, the “master” and the “customer” is done. It teaches you how to manage the “customer” and how to respond and handle the “master”. It actually has some very good points and is a good document overall. YES, there are fines and penalties in the Policy and Procedures, you need to understand and know them. There’s a reason why they are there, NO it’s not to DO HARM. They are there to GET YOUR ATTENTION if you don’t handle your business correctly.

  In closing, DONT BELIEVE A WORD I’VE SAID WITHOUT VERIFICATION!!!!! Don’t ever believe 1st amendment, only believe SEIU if you are a Proud Union Member and/or you have NO INDEPENDENT thinking ability of your own.

• SEIU: What’s the matter, waiting for Karl Marx to produce another book. NEWSFLASH from TELEMUNDO and their “cracker jack” investigative reporting TEAM “Karl Marx is DEAD!” Clip at 11:00 p.m. (That’s EDT by the way)

  So SEIU, did you finally get tired of trying to find the answer to “What’s Next” or are you going to admit to everyone posting and reading here that YOU DONT CARE!

  That’s the biggest problem with both you and 1st amendment. You don’t have a Clue. You’re fighting the right battle, just the wrong way. Maybe, just read what I’ve posted, read what’s been said. You don’t understand the “BIG PICTURE” on not only “how” to attack they franchisors, but you don’t understand the consequences of your current attacks. OR, YOU DONT CARE!!!

  Since you don’t care, I have no choice but to “mow you down” and attack every “thought” and/or “issue” that you have.

• Previous posting:

  1. FDD is not that difficult to read or understand. Review it, take your time, if you still don’t understand it, spend a $100.00 and take it to an attorney to review it for you.

  Most lawyers will not acknowledge your presence for $100, expect to pay $250 to $400 for the advice. A lawyer will gladly advice you that you are getting into a mess that will take years and a healthy amount of money to resolve in case of any disputes without getting into details.

  2. No one is “forcing” you to do anything. Do your Due Dilligence. If you don’t feel comfortable, if you don’t think this business is for you, if you don’t like the “master” and/or his Management Team, DONT DO IT!!!!!

  Although nobody is holding a gun to your head , you are hoping you are buying a legitimate business. They are selling you an illusion with lots of small print,. If you have a question refer to number one again.

  3. Make sure that you understand that IF you do Sign, the Policy and Procedures aspect of the FDD is very important. This part actually works best when presented as a way of how communication between you, the “master” and the “customer” is done. It teaches you how to manage the “customer” and how to respond and handle the “master”. It actually has some very good points and is a good document overall. YES, there are fines and penalties in the Policy and Procedures, you need to understand and know them. There’s a reason why they are there, NO it’s not to DO HARM. They are there to GET YOUR ATTENTION if you don’t handle your business correctly.

  If you buy a franchise you are stupid because you did not understand step one, step two and also Jan-Pro will charge you fees as follow:
  Get you own insurance $50 a month
  If you do not return a phone call to Jan-pro due to a complaint within two hours $50
  The policy and procedure manual is more an employee manual more than a business manual.
  Everything is against you regardless, YOU LOOSE AS SOON AS YOU SIGN.
  This business model was a fantastic innovative idea 40 years ago, however, right now it is abusive scam (remember there is plenty of small print, a good lawyer will tell you not to waste your money buying a fake franchise with Jan-Pro). This business is run by people that they ARE NOT in the cleaning business, they are selling franchises and turning as many accounts around as possible, period.

• Felix:

  Great points & great advice. I hope anyone considering this scam-chise will read it carefully.

  Jerry:

  I have no clue what you are blathering on about, as usual, and care even less. Your moronic ramblings are like Public Service Announcements against inbreeding. I hope your brother-cousins and auntie-moms down in Dixie and in Cornhole, Indiana will heed the warning and stop fishing the shallow end of the gene pool. Remember: 2nd cousins, minimum.

• Felix: You obviously don’t bother reading any previous postings, so let me “catch you up”.

  1. If you can read English, you can read and understand an FDD. If you can’t understand it, IT’s REAL SIMPLE: DONT BUY!!!!!

  2. I don’t know where your from, nor do I care, If you can’t get an attorney to review a document for 100 to 150 dollars, then you might want to live somewhere else.

  3. The Insurance fallicy that was reported by 1st amendment was not only shot down by me, it was verified and shot down by others that are either current or former Jan-Pro owner/operators.

  And if your attorney advised you NOT to BUY!!! Then why did you go to him in the first place and waste your money if you BOUGHT!!!! My largest problem with 1st amendment and now you is as follows: YOU act like you weren’t given a CHOICE! You were, you are now admitting that you were told by reasonable counsel not to BUY but you DID! Because you didn’t READ, didn’t UNDERSTAND, didn’t take ADVICE and because YOU didn’t PERFORM, that somehow is Jan-Pro’s Fault.

  Guess that’s the world we live in today, that’s why the school system continues to “pass” students who can’t read, write, spell and how SEIU got through school as he was indoctrinated with the Progressive mindset of BLAME others when you FAIL, it’s got to be somebody’s fault, can’t be your own.

• SEIU: What as arrogant, as intellectually superior individual that YOU claim to be, the learned and college educated person that you are can’t understand the following; WHAT’S NEXT!!!!

  Just goes to show, you haven’t got a clue. Since you don’t have a clue, it’s obvious you have no commercial cleaning experience, your “franchising” experience is based upon articles in FRANCHISE TIMES (when they agree with you). You obviously haven’t run your own business and you obviously don’t live in the world that the people posting on this site and reading this site does.

  WHAT’S NEXT refers to what happens to the thirty thousand owner/operators currently in the system. What happens to their investment, how is it they are able to clean facilities throughout the United States on a nightly basis without issue, how is it they continue to work everyday for their vision of the AMERICAN DREAM ( no SEIU I don’t mean their South American Dream, their Central American Dream, their Canadian-American Dream) What about THEM!!!!!

  Your an idiot, 1st amendment is selfish, former jan-pro operations manager is vengeful. WHAT ABOUT THEM!!!! Has been from Day One and until now MY Question and MY reason for commenting on this SITE!!!!!

  Answer the Question: Anyone, WHAT’S NEXT!!!!

• Jerry writes “that’s why the school system continues to “pass” students who can’t read, write, spell”

  Yes, illiteracy is rampant. Some people write Ronald “Regan,” “Dill-usional” “humerous” and continue to display the fact they wasted the taxpayer’s money and squandered the public school education this great country provides!

  Jerry writes ” If you can’t get an attorney to review a document for 100 to 150 dollars, then you might want to live somewhere else”

  Stop embarrassing yourself with moronic advice and “dillusional” statements. $100 will buy 20 minutes with any lawyer outside of Cornhole, Indiana. You think that’s enough time to properly review that fat, onerous legal document, explain it to the client, and then give proper guidance?

  Oh, that’s right. You don’t want them to get proper guidance. That cramps the style of illiterate swindlers.

• SEIU: Sorry, didn’t mean to insult your obvious lack of knowledge about our industry, franchising as a whole etc… without mentioning the fact you have no common sense either. My bad……

  If you don’t care about these people, then just say so. For being honest is much easier than continuing to hide in the shadows. Look even 1st amendment in his own “monkey dung throwing way” admitted he doesnt’ care about them.

  You can “jump on the band wagon” that’s always the easy way of doing things. But to be “fair and real” you need to point out that their are others that are “in the game” too… You, 1st amendment, former jan-pro operations manager, don’t/haven’t thought about THEM. In regards to Felix, not even sure why he’s SO ANGRY…. He has even admitted that he has made his original investment back multiple times over, still in the system, still making money, yet he’s BITTER.

  Here’s a NEWSFLASH that TELEMUNDO and their “cracker jack” Investigative reporter would be Proud Of: Business is Hard!!!! Businesses close on a regular basis, EVEN THOSE NOT PART OF THE FRANCHISE INDUSTRY!!! If you lack the skills, lack the desire, don’t want to put forth the effort day in and day out, if you don’t want to listen, don’t want to train, don’t want to LIVE in this world 24/7 then continue to be an EMPLOYEEE!!!!!! There’s nothing wrong with that.

  1st amendment will LOSE his case, without a doubt, the Franchisors are finally realizing that “settling” does them no good, SEIU and his “merry band of attorneys” will continue to drive off the cliff, because at the end of the day, other than the Union Dues paying members of SEIU, they haven’t lost a dime. Liz and her group and all the other “hangers on” have all been paid, continue to be paid up until they LOSE. Then what happens to 1st amendment and the others, they get stuck with a JUDGEMENT against them. Liz and her TEAM don’t pay the JUDGEMENT, 1st amendment, “aiwah” and the others do…..

  So now, we’re back to square one. No Reform, No Change, People out of Money, People out of Time and nothing has changed…..

• Here’s a money-saving, time-saving tip for anyone considering signing a Jan-Pro franchise agreement: Call one of the attorneys who is suing or has sued Jan-Pro or other janitorial franchisors. They are already know the agreement backwards and forwards, and know all the hidden franchisor tricks and the worst provisions. You’ll only have to pay them to glance over your version of the FDD, and they can spend their time explaining to you what you’re risking by signing.

  Even at $350 an hour it will be much cheaper than coming back to them after being swindled and violated by a contract no Cornhole, Indiana lawyer would even understand.

• SEIU: Still didn’t answer “WHATS NEXT” Every post I see you make and you don’t respond, I’m going to start off. This will illustrate how you don’t care, don’t give a damn and how unimportant answering that question is to YOU!!!

  In regards to your 20 minutes, REALLY even in INDY the going rate is 150.00 per hour. You don’t really think that the attorney’s ever read each word do you? You can’t be that big of an IDIOT!!! In your defense, even if they only spend 20 minutes, what would be their statement?

  I don’t care if they buy a Jan-Pro franchise or not, never recommended that they do, YOU keep wanting to say that I have recommended to people to PURCHASE a Jan-Pro UNIT FRANCHISE. WHERE HAVE I EVER SAID THAT. God knows there’s enough proof if you want to look for it.

• SEIU: Here we go again, WHATS NEXT!!!!! Why can’t you answer the question or at least be honest and state for the record “YOU DONT CARE”. That of course would require you to actually be honest.

  I know I’m not going to “change your mind”. REALLY, at the end of the day, I don’t need too or care too. I’m trying to get you and the others posting and viewing this site that the thirty thousand owner/operators performing their duties, taking care of customers throughout the United States on a NIGHTLY basis are far more important at the end of the day than YOU, !st amendment, Former Jan-Pro Operations Manager or anyone else that wants to BLAME others for Losing their business.

  Those viewing that are current owner/operators, you need to call FOR CHANGE!!! You have all the POWER!!! YOU always have had. YOU need to write the letters to WEBSTER, YOU need to write the letters to JAN-PRO INTERNATIONAL, YOU need to be the one’s filing the BREACH OF CONTRACT SUITS!!!! YOU are the one’s with LEGAL STANDING!!!!! If you want CHANGE, then YOU better be the one’s asking for it!!!!

  EVERYONE else is out for VENGENCE. They don’t care about your investment, they don’t care about YOUR children, they don’t care about what HARM they do to YOU as long as THEY get THEIR MONEY!!!!!!

• the Big 3 Janitorial franchise companies use top franchise law firms who bill $400-$500 an hour. Jerry advises using a Cornhole, Indiana $150 an hour lawyer with no specialized franchise experience to decipher their complex agreements. Great thinking.

  The BEST is Jerry’s advice to “not have them read every word”! That’s classic!Yes, please tell your attorney you only will pay to have them read the “important” words and see how they react!

  Don’t read every word… ! Jerry you’re a tool, but a big dumb loveable tool. By the way, what IS your education level? Did you finish George Wallace Elementary School or were you home-schooled in the woodshed by Uncle-Dad?

• SEIU: Here you go again, JUST answer one simple question wihout throwing insults and attempting to deflect: WHATS NEXT!!!!!

• Jerry – seriously, what company do you work for? Are you a franchisee?….or did you start a franchise system? I don’t get what you’re barking at.

• Pete: What I’m barking at is simple: There are over thirty thousand owner/operators currently working for the “BIG 3”. What about thier investments, what about their money, what about their way of life, what about THEM!!

• They BOUGHT their business. Who’s trying to take anything away from them? From what I have seen the corporate managment have the big issue not the “employees”.

• I am one of those “thirty thousand current owner/operator” and I want my money back or pay employer taxes since I am no more than employee! I hope I answer the question. There is not what about?, just ask.

• Pete, Felix, 1st amendment, SEIU: Problem is as follows and since none of you have enough “brain power” between you, let me draw you a picture, complete with a flow chart and directions via mapquest:

  Question: When the judge “ordered” Coverall to stop treating the owner/operators as “independent contractors” and start treating them as employee’s, Why didn’t the judge “order” Coverall to return all of the MONEY that the “in question” owner/operators had already paid Coverall’s various Regional/Master Offices?

  Answer: He couldn’t.

  Why? Multiple reasons, primary reason would have been jurisdictional, but the primary reason would have been “statue of limitations”. Even if the Judge would have ordered Coverall “corporate”, Coverall “corporate” simply would have stated the following: Only got 10% of the money from the regional developer/master, after the “payouts” already given via “contract generation” what % do you actually think those “owner/operators” would have been given?

  Why do you think their were no damages awarded in the “coverall/indpendent contractor aspect”. Because damages could not be proven. NO HARM had been done.

  Do you not understand how the “master” and “corporate” relationship is legally structured? Obviously not.

  Your “best hope” is that you get them to “stop selling new franchises”. You are never going to be able to prove damages, you are never going to be able to prove RICO and/or FRAUD to the level necessary. And even if you were able to do so, “corporate jan-pro” is less than a 6 million dollar per year “company”. Do you know why?

  Because the Master has already long paid the “upfront money” and most of that was done during the “Jacque LaPointe era”. What a “master” pays corporate is literally pennies on the dollar in regards to “franchisee sells” and “contract sells”

  So, Felix in all his “brillance” wants his money back! Guess what, NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!!!! Even if it were “taken all the way”, at best, a judgement could be rendered against the “corporate entity”, during the appeal process, no judge will “shut down” the system as it is currently operating. If for no other reason, it’s got 40 years of “track record” of viability.

  So, now you “win” but you “lose”. You’ve lost your money. You’ve probably lost your “contract”, guarantee you, you won’t like “netting” less than minimum wage.

  So I await all of your “brillant minds” and your answers to the QUESTION of the DAY: WHATS NEXT?

• Pete, SEIU, 1st amendment, Former Jan-Pro Operations Manager, Felix:

  Here’s some “insight” into the actual structure not only of Jan-Pro but of all the “franchising companies”.

  Corporate is basically a “licensing entity”. It owns the “property” which is the name, business model, buying program, training, “master accounting system” etc… They sell that “property” via a license to do business as on a geographic basis to a “company” formed by the “master”. That company then is allowed under certain guidelines to “resell” that property on a “unit franchise” basis.

  Typically, there is a large upfront fee paid to ‘corporate” by the prospective “master’ it is usually in the 250K range, can be less, can be more depending on the Population or MSA. Since the vast majority of the “masters” in the Jan-Pro System have been in place for longer than 3 years, the vast majority of that money left with Jacques Lapointe “left”.

  Now, when a new “unit franchise” is sold by the master. 90% of that money stays with the “master”. 10% goes to corporate.

  When a “note” is given. either all or 97.5% of that “revenue” stays with the “master”.

  On “contract sales” depending on the size of the “master” their are different levels that are paid in the form of “royalties”. Those royalties range from 7% and lower. Once a “master” reaches 1 million per year in sales, that royalty drops, 2 million it drops, 3 million it drops, 5 million it drops etc…

  Bottom line is as follows: Jan-Pro Corporate as an “entity” is actually a medium sized company at best. It has very little “assets” or physical property. It doesn’t even own the building (at least it didn’t) that its headquarters is in. Total number of actual employees of Jan-Pro Corporate can guarantee you is no larger than a couple of dozen.

  Now at the end of the day, I’m not sure why Jan-Pro Corporate is even “legally representing” or have any sort of “standing of liability” in this or any case brought by former “disgruntled owner/operators”.

  So, I go back to the Question: WHATS NEXT?

• My God. Doesn’t this tool come with an OFF switch?

• SEIU: What’s the matter, can’t handle the question, don’t understand the question, don’t want to handle the question. Afraid that the ‘viewers” of this site realize what not only a waste of time, waste of resources, waste of emotion this whole thing is? Or do you NOT CARE!!! as I’ve stated numerous times and all along.

  Say what you want, make fun of me, call me names etc…. Can’t deny the truth of the FACTS.

• Alas… no OFF switch :(

• SEIU: Well, answer the question or admit you don’t know the “end game” or the fact that “you don’t care” because it doesn’t affect your personal monies. Since it doesn’t effect you in a negative way, then why would you care about anyone else?

  You have no business speaking “on behalf” of anyone, you don’t give a rats rump about anyone or anything other than what goes into or out of your personal pocket.

  You sir are a disgusting individual!

• SEIU: Since you obviously have a different agenda than everyone else that posts here, why do you bother? What is it that you “get off” on in regards to this site. It certainly can’t be me, I’m no match for your Progressive intellect, you are such a superior being, why don’t you give us “simple minded” one’s a brief glimpse into your massive BRAIN and answer the question: WHATS NEXT!!!!!

• Jerry who said that he is an insider with jan-pro and who twice gave his word to never come back. Can you trust someone or believe anything that he says when he goes back on his word. No you can’t.

  I keep getting more calls from more people from around the country. More people are getting angry that jan-pro has ripped them off.

  I received a call from a Gentleman and he is very, very MAD that jan-pro is ripping him off and playing with his livelyhood.

  He was ripped-off alot of money and he said that if things don’t get rectified then he will be taking Legal Action.

• 1st amendment: I know you are mentally challenged. I understand that you have no morals, as you continue to lead people or attempt to lead people into the never ending abyss known as a “lawsuit”. I’ve shown you number of ways on how you are going to “lose” and why you are going to “lose”. Obviously I now wonder why you continue to “post” continue to encourage people to throw their money and insist that they live the bitter life that you and SEIU do.

  Will you ever answer the Questions posed to you, you claim to want to be “honest” with everyone so answer these:

  1. Whose paying your attorney fees? You are part of a national class action lawsuit, your attorneys are billing as SEIU has reported around $400.00 per hour. I’m guessing that on the average that is coming close to 10K per month at a minimum, the closer you come to “trail” it will go higher. So,answer the question.

  2. When you talk to the now “hundreds” of people and as you are doing your “pimping routine” for your attorneys, ARE you coming clean with them about your “vested” interest in the case at hand? Meaning are you telling them the reason that you are posting and keeping track is for the referral money that either you are getting or at the very least getting a “credit” for?

  3. Why can’t you answer, WHATS NEXT? You are supposidly a ‘champion of causes” as SEIU put it a true “superhero”! If that’s the case, why aren’t you attempting to protect the tens of thousands owner/operators currently in the system?

  Simple questions, only need simple answers. Lets see if you answer any of them.

• 1st Amendment: You should encourage the people contacting you to come to this site and share their stories and experiences.

  Jerry calls your legal action a “never ending abyss” and claims he has listed all the reasons you will lose. Jerry has as much as admitted he never finished 8th grade since Uncle Dad made him drop out of George Wallace Elementary to tend the family moonshine still back in Cooter Hollow, but I’m sure he knows better than your attorneys who actually finished grade school, high school, college & law school, passed the Bar exam and practice law for a living.

  I’m sure Jerry can explain away the fact that of the 16 lawsuits listed in the 2009 Coverall FDD, it seems Coverall PAID OUT in all 16 in the following amounts:

  1) $20,000
  2) $37,500
  3) $14,500
  4) $12,500
  5) $20,000
  6) $300,000
  7) $17,000
  8 ) $13,000
  9) $30,000
  10) $7,000
  11) $3,575
  12) $13,000
  13) $450,000
  14) $45,000
  15) $30,000
  16) $55,000

  So two things in your favor are that 1) there seems to be a good precedent for getting paid by these janitorial companies and 2) flip-flopper Jerry says you’ll lose. The second makes it almost a sure thing you’ll triumph.

• SEIU; Of course left out that the facts of the most recent “case” , the “test” for “aiwah”. How bout the 200k they get to pay for “losing”.

• Jerry writes: “the closer you come to “trail” it will go higher.”

  Your expert legal perspective might seem a bit more credible if you knew how to spell the word “trial.” Jeez, Jerry, it’s only one syllable.

  Maybe you should hit the “trail” and stop embarrassing yourself.

• SEIU: Oh here we go back to spelling again. Avoid the Question, pick on the stupid mistake. PROGRESSIVE 101;

• Now I see why the lawyers Jerry recommends are so cheap. They are “trail” lawyers!

  Do they give free “trail” mix & “sweat” tea with each consultation? Or am I being “dill-usional” or just “humerous”

  Jerry, English is the official language of the United States. You should learn it if you want to be allowed to stay here.

• SEIU: Why cant you answer the question needed.

• SEIU: Funny, why cant you answer a simple question. You are supposidly so much smarter than everyone else.

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• SEIU: Well there you go again, could you answer some simple questions? Why is it you keep avoiding all of the legitimate questions that have been sent your way. You continue to make yourself and claim to be so much smarter than everyone else on this site. Please share some of your “enlightment” and answer the questions that have been continually posed. I think people would appreciate your insight and be illuminated by your mental capability.

  PLEASE share with us, come down from the mountain top and SPEW your verses on the MASSES!!!!!!! QUESTION of the WEEK: WHATS NEXT

• To jerry who said that he is an insider at jan-pro.

  You are still here? You went back on your word. Your not a man of his word. You said that you would never come back. You said it twice but here you are again jumping and screaming like a little monkey.

  You want to know what is next. Can you handle the Truth. Will you throw another Tantrum when I tell you the truth? Will you tell us again that you will never come back when I tell you the Truth. What will you do when I tell you the truth and you can’t handle the Truth! Will you go bananas ?

  What is going to happen next is more Lawsuits will get filled. Just today I received another call from another person. They have already talked to an Attorney and they plan to take legal action. This could be another class action on it’s way. You see as long as people keep getting ripped-off. More lawsuits will be getting filled.

  What’s next you ask? We will get the word out and warn people about buying a fake cleaning franchise. We will go to the media. We will go to congress. We will go to the Attorney General. We will go to the Federal Trade commission. We will Picket like they have already done in other States. We will keep on fitting for Justice and not stop until we get it.

• What’s next?

  What’s next is more and more people will post their warnings on this site and others so when anyone searches for “Jan-pro franchise” or “Coverall franchise” or “Jani-King franchise” they will see a 1000 warnings from brave ex-franchisees and plaintiffs like 1st Amendment who will not sit quietly and let this scam continue.

  The Internet has made this a new day, and a new ballgame. Scammers like you will have to spend more and more to get fewer and fewer uninformed suckers. Fewer people will loose their savings, their retirements and their dreams to unethical thieves and flim-flam artists like you.

  Congrats, Jerry. You’re part of history. People will read your moronic, illiterate comments and want nothing to do with Jan-Pro. See, you are somebody after all!

• Scammers are evolving as well in this new information era. There are some scamming emails going around for people who posted against Jan-Pro!

• Guest: Your so funny in so many ways. You want to try and “turn” thing around when at the end of the day, FACTS are FACTS:

  You and 1st amendment want dozens of “aiwahs’ out there. You don’t care who you hurt, how much it costs them, whether or not they end up in bankruptcy court, you have no morals and you have no ethics.

  You’re problem is that you can’t answer simple questions, the “validity” issue is that you can’t be trusted because you’re not willing to admit your faults. You attempt to cover up your obvious lack of knowledge about the industry as a whole, about franchising in particular and you lack the basic common decency in regards to what these hard working people are going through and have gone through.

  That’s what distrubs me about you. Not to mention you continue to ignore and wont even answer basic questions that envolve the “majority” of the owner/operators not the minority.

• SEIU: Then if I’m so “bad” for Jan-Pro why do you and 1st amendment want me off this site so much. Your attempt at being obnoxious, your attacks on my family, your attacks on the parts of the country that I’ve lived in, your attacks on the industry that I personally care about, your attacks on the existing owner/operators that I have protected from day one, you have attempted to make allegations against the vast majority of good masters, your attempt to make allegations against the vast majority of good employee’s that work at Jan0Pro and other companies.

  You are a disgusting human being. You are a liar, you are a joke and you should really duck your tail between your legs and pucker up less for 1st amendment who in many ways is just as bad as you.

• To jerry the jan-pro insider who goes back on his word

  You say that you have so much inside information on jan-pro because you were an employee with jan-pro

  You were once trying to post stats but when I asked you certain questions you ran like a rat and refused to awnser how many thousands of peopple have left jan-pro?

  Why wont you tell us how many people have left jan-pro?

  How many people at jan-pro only have one account left an make less than 50 dollars a month?

  How much money does jan-pro make on Fines?

  How many fines do they give out or have given out since they started?

  Why does jan-pro LIE on magazines and say that they have franchisees in 50 states when they don’t?

  Awnser monkey Awnser!

• 1st amendment: Your blathering has gotten old. Who cares about what you want. Lets have you answer some questions: Which so far you haven’t answered any.

  1. Who pays for your attorneys fees? We know it can’t be you. SEIU confirmed that your attorney bills at a rate of 400.00 per hour. Common sense dictates they are billing “you” for at least 10K per month and will go up.

  2. Why are you “profiling” your callers?

  3. Who does your taxes? Because obviously you don’t have the sense to do them yourself sense you can’t read or understand the FDD even with help.

  4. Why do you have such a “monkey fetish” is there something you need to reveal about your dreams or desires or something.

  5 You seem to be having more “issues” lately, is the stress getting to you, things coming a litle unraveled, is your wife wondering how she’s going to have to pay a 200K judgement just to fulfill your need for “glory”.

• 1st amendment: I obviously know more about Jan-Pro than you do. But of course I do, I read the FDD, I read Policy and Procedures, I followed the training program (I actually trained the owner/operators), I know how to bid accounts not only for the franchise industry but for the “traditional companies” as well. I know nearly word for word, you can’t even name the basic sections of the training manual.

  1st amendment: You need to think about “aiwah” tonight, he’s having nightmares, are you even speaking to him, or have you not returned his phone calls because he’s sitting out there all alone. He needs a friend, you should call him and give him SEIU’s home address so he can pay him a “special visit”.

• I asked the same question before: how many franchises sold and how many active franchisees? I never got an answer in terms of percentage. Not such number as a corporation is concern was the answer from an insider .
  Four years ago when I joined this nightmare, about more than 50% of the franchisees where gone even though we are in one of the best areas of the country in terms of population/business growth. Right now is about just less than 50%, however, Jan-Pro increseaded 40% the amount of franchises sold in the same period. Please, does any insider (Jerry) knows how many franchises sold and how many active franchisees? This is a very damaging question, consequently I believe it will remain a mistery.

• Felix: Yes I know the answer, the Question of the Day and Week is still the same. You claim you are a current owner/operator in the system, you have decided that even after four years and the fact that you have not only gotten your original investment back multiple times over, continue to make positive money each and every month, that you are still taking “sides” with people like 1st amendment.

  I simply don’t understand, you’ve made your money back, continue to make money and what, because someone said something bad to you, you want to “attack” them at every turn. Wow! do you handle yourself the same way on your full time employment?

• In the past 24 hours, Jerry has posted 31 times. 31!

  The janitorial scammers are getting desperate. Good work, friends!

  Jerry asks someone named SEIU “What’s next?” Let me propose a next step.

  Let’s start an education campaign aimed at commercial cleaning customers. Let’s let every one of Jerry’s customers how these franchise scams work, and why they they should fire them if they use them, and not hire them if they don’t.

  Let’s let the ethical business owners of America know how their businesses and their cleaning accounts are being used as tools to perpetrate a fraud on the American working man and his family.

  Let’s let them know how their legitimate businesses are used to target recent immigrants, Latinos, blacks, Asians & Indians trying to make a better life for their families.

  Let’s ask every commercial cleaning customer if they want their business to be used as a revolving door where crews are brought in and let go as the franchises are churned for profit.

  Let’s ask the customers of Jan-Pro, Jani-King, Coverall, and the others if they are comfortable knowing that failing, struggling, disgruntled, angry franchisees roam their businesses at night, and have free rein.

  How will janitorial customers feel when they arrive at work in the morning to find a picket line & news crews? Will they think it’s really worth it to feed the scam and ruin their own reputations?

  What will happen when these pirates find their current customers defecting and new accounts going with non-franchised, real business owners? They won’t have the illusion of accounts to sell, and this scam will dry up once and for all.

  Be careful when you ask “What’s next” Jerry.

  You aren’t gonna like “What’s next”