JAN-PRO Franchise Complaints

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• Jerry:

  I fully intend on giving the master owner the same “respect” he has shown me and others.

  I could not find a web site for Webster, if possible could you provide it.

• Former Jan-Pro Operations Manager: it’s http://www.webstercapital.com

  good luck with your endeavors

• 1st amendment, Jerry “V”, LoveAmerica or other screen name you are going by today:

  What happened, didn’t have a good enough come back on the issues that I raised in concern to your lawsuit envolving, Jan-Pro, Coverall, Jani-King. What about the law firm you are “pimping” for, waiting on a response from them to send?

  Let’s review for a moment in regards to the “basics” of your lawsuit:

  1. FDD and UFOC: Too difficult to understand, was too unintelligent to gaither, even with those facts, I still gave Jan-Pro $5,000.00 of my hard earned money because they “held a gun to my head”, “forced me to sign”, “on medication” and/or “wanted to/needed to blame someone else for my failure”.

  2. Account status: They were too far underbid. Not only that, they took my “too far underbid accounts from me without warning”. So because I was too busy complaining about Jan-Pro on at least 10 different websites, “pimping” my attorney’s all over the place, decided it was best to get into different business all together.

  3. Jan-Pro committed fraud, decieved me, violated RICO statues etc… Of course, can’t prove any of that, just wanted to make the “charge” because its more serious than the actual “fact”

  4. All Master Franchisors across the country are thieves, they committed FRAUD, THEY STOLE, can’t remember all the rest, just know it was terrible. Of course the only one that you have any “direct dealings with” is the one you should have any “standing” on. Because of your previous statements, wondering how much of that is true.

  5. Going to put Jan-Pro out of business. Still cleaning several thousand accounts each day, still have 7500 to 10,000 unit franchisees (your figure, my figure)

  Just wondering what happened to you, having a withdrawl. Must need more “crack cocaine” or “monkey dung” in my life.

• To j from Indiana ? To your June 15th responce

  1. You say that I have no common ground? You yourself said the following:

  ““ I truly was very “disgusted”, “discouraged”, “pissed”, “disappointed” and “hurt” when I left Jan-Pro myself. I left well before I would have been terminated, it is very upsetting when you see the things that you see, hear the things that you hear, witness the lack of respect given to the owner/operators which I truly do see as “investors” and when you bring those facts up to the “higher authority”and they do nothing, say nothing, question your motives and your honesty.””

  Even you admit that there is no negotiating with jan-pro! Also there is not a few people getting ripped-off you know that there is thousands.

  You said that you left before they terminated you, can you tell us why they were going to terminate you?

  2. You say that I don’t care about the current people who work a fake franchise with jan-pro. Again you make things up. I know of people right now who want to leave because there accounts are so badly underbid that they make less than minimum wage. They have told me that they would leave but that jan-pro will come after them for more money. I talked to women who have cried because they wanted to leave jan-pro because they were making less than minimum wage and jan-pro wouldn’t let them leave. It was sad because she had to work months for free so that she could finally leave. Hey j from Indiana would you like to talk to her???

  3. Yes you have defamed me, slandered me, and told lies about me. You accuse me of wanting blood and called me dirty names and then you call my attorneys Pimps. You have threatened to follow me on the internet and you tried to get the administrator to kick me out. Is that what jan-pro thought you to do?

  4. The reason I have put my attorneys website is because so many people that got ripped-off want to come forward. It’s not easy finding franchise law attorneys. When I was still working for jan-pro and I would go to pick up my check at the end of the month I would always see people outside talking. They always looked Mad and some very Sad. They would talk about how jan-pro was ripping them off and that they needed to get together and find an attorney to see what they could do.

  5. When you lie and you say that I want fame you lie. Then you threaten me and say that you are going to follow me on the internet. Then you try and get the administrator to kick me out. Then you lie and say that I don’t care about other people and then you continue to lie and say that I want Blood and then you call my attorneys Pimps and then you say that the master franchisor that you worked for was good but then you say that you were going to get fired and then you wonder why you sound like a monkey on crack! First you say that the place that you worked for was so great then you say that you were going to get
  Fired ??? Which one is it? You say that you were an insider but you don’t even know how many fake franchises jan-pro has or had or how many Thousands left. You say that you would never buy a fake unit franchise from jan-pro but you try and get other people to buy one. You say that you are no longer with jan-pro but you are here everyday constantly attacking me, I wonder why?

  6. Again it’s not a few people who got ripped-off. It’s thousands around the country. How dare you call them disgruntled. If you or anybody in your family got ripped-off you to would be mad and you wouldn’t be saying disgruntled. For your information jan-pros attorneys agreed that the contract is very hard to understand and they said that you should get an attorney. Ask yourself why would jan-pro make something so hard to understand? You know why don’t you? Why do they make something so complicated when we are going to be cleaning, vacuuming, throwing out the trash, sweeping and moping. You want to blame me for getting ripped-off. You want to make the victims into the bad people. I was told that I would make $25.00 Dollars an hour, I was told that they had great training, I was told that my business would grow. It was Fraud, Deceit and Misrepresentation. You say that our lawsuit will be ripped to shreds and I say that by the time we present all of our evidence it will singe the hair off a monkeys rear.

• To someone who calls himself jerry ? Who says that he is from Indiana ?
  This is in response to his post on June 16 th

  1. You wonder why I call you a dirty little monkey who throws his poo at the wall just to try and see what sticks at the wall. You were crying and jumping up and down and telling me that I should take action and show proof that I was taking legal action against jan-pro. You attacked me and you TOLD me that I should PUT UP or SHUT UP. You told me that I should put my neck out there and to either show PROOF that I was taking legal action or to shut up. You wanted proof and you wanted me to show court houses and you wanted me to show case numbers and you wanted me to show Dates and documents filled. Then you kept posting it over and over and over again. So I say no problem I can send you a copy of the complaint / Lawsuit paperwork. I tell you to go to complaints board.com and that you can find my e-mail address there. You can e-mail me and I would e-mail you back the documents. However you wouldn’t do it. You wont do it except change the conversation. You want the proof and I offer it to you and then you change the conversation! You then change the subject and you start to say that I just want to sue and that I want fame and you called my attorneys pimps.

  It seems to me like you are very confused. First you say that I should take legal action and that I should either put up or shut up and then you ask me for proof of the lawsuit. Other wise you tell me to shut up. Then when I prove it to you that I’m taking legal action you do a 360 change and then you say that all I want to do is sue. Then you say that I’m only looking for blood and fame and you call my attorneys pimps. Which one is it make up your mind.

  You keep calling my attorneys Defamatory names and you keep Slandering them. For your information when I used to go to the jan-pro office to pick up my paycheck. I would always see people outside talking. They always looked very sad or very mad. They said that they were getting ripped-off. We started exchanging phone numbers and we decided that we needed help. We needed to do something because we could no longer take the abuse from jan-pro. We decided to get together and have a meeting. When we did we concluded that we had no other option than to look for legal help. We all started to look for attorneys. We looked at different attorneys and we decided to go with the ones we have now. We asked them to please help us. So you need to stop your Defamatory and Slandering remarks towards our attorneys

  2. You know very well that the FDD is very confusing hard to understand and Deceitful. It’s just like trying to read Tax Code.

  A. Jan-pros attorneys agreed that the contract is very hard to understand. Even they told me that you should get an attorney to read it to you. These were jan-pros attorneys saying this. Ask yourself this if we are simply cleaning buildings why do they need to make something so hard to understand and so complicated to the point that you need to hire an attorney to translate it to you?

  B. Bernie Madof ripped-off a lot of Rich and Powerful Smart people. He got away with his scam for many, many years. I was made promises and those promises were lies. Deceit and Fraud just like Bernie Madof used on other people.

  C. The Attorney General in Maryland warns about cleaning franchisors and the FTC does the same thing. A few years ago the FTC Fined a few different cleaning franchisors each $100,000 because they failed to disclose important information on there FDD.

  3. They did commit Fraud they told me that I would get accounts that would pay me $25.00 Dollars an hour and that was a lie they paid less than minimum wage. They did deceive me. I’m not an attorney but I do feel that they are in violation of the Rico and Racketeering Acts, I feel that there is enough evidence to prove the violation of the Rico and Racketeering Acts. Even a judge said that the way a cleaning franchisor was doing business was like a modified ponzi scheme.

  4. Like I said before people from 25 Different states have called me including Canada. Some have picketed jan-pro some have exposed jan-pro on television and some have appeared on magazines and newspaper articles and all have been from different states and parts of the country. Almost every state were jan-pro does business I have received calls from. Every person that has called me has also told me that they know of a lot of people who are getting ripped-off.

  5. What you forgot to mention is that most of those are probably the smallest package. However more important is how many thousands have left jan-pro.

  6. Don’t worry if I don’t post on here every day it just means I have been busy but I will never stop this struggle for justice.

• 1st amendment, Jerry V. or Iloveamerica, The problem with you as the “front man” for your attorneys is your consistent meandering around the facts. You get some right, most wrong and you continually lose the validity or “standing” of your argument.

  1. Never called your attorneys “pimps”. Accused you of “pimping” for your attorneys. Though I did state, I felt your attorney’s were out to “line” their own pockets, gain fame, care little about you or the thousands of current owner/operators.

  2. You really don’t care about the “thousands” of current owner/operators, because when I gave you a scenario to “play out”, you didnt answer, still haven’t answered “what’s next”.

  3. Never said “My Master Owner” was a good one. Stated that their were “good one’s” one’s that were doing “right” by their owner/operators, doing “right” by their customers and doing “right” by the Jan-Pro name. Mine was a “joke”, he wasn’t as bad as some, but he didn’t love this business, didn’t/doesn’t understand the importance of the owner/operator as a whole. Reason I was about to be/possibly be “terminated”, was for numerous owner/opertor violations that he had committed, jeopordizing accounts due to having a family member, known to have felony convictions “in charge” of operations. (in other words, if the customers had found out this individual had access to their alarm codes, keys to their facilities etc… that would have been a terminatable offense and the owner/operators could have lost those accounts without doing anything wrong). He also committed other acts/violations that was/should have been “sacred ground” in concern to owner/operator and “master” relationship.

  4. I have been consistent in my criticism of Jan-Pro International and the “lackies” in charge of it. They don’t care about this business as a whole, they certainly don’t care about the owner/operators as a whole and they have caused most of the problems associated with these lawsuits. You can’t “hate” the business, “dislike” the people performing the work for the business and do nothing about “masters” that are clearly “out of control”.

  However, to say all employee’s of Jan-Pro International are thieves, uncaring, etc… is totally incorrect. I have met several of them, had “dealings” with some of them, found them to be competent, caring, hard working people. To say that all “master owners” are thieves, liers, deceitful etc… is equally as wrong.

  In regards to “your issues”. For you to “take” someone’s word and invest $5000.00 of your hard earned money that you would make $25.00 per hour in the “cleaning business” shows you didn’t want to or care to do your homework. No such animal ever existed in the “cleaning business” , only time you make that kind of money is on “special services” such as pressure washing, window washing, floor cleaning, carpet cleaning etc… Even on a “good bid”, you make 16 to 18 maximum.

  The FDD is what it is, my statement still stands though, if I didn’t understand something, I would give it to someone else, an attorney, an accountant, someone smarter than me to read. You still didn’t have to sign, no one was there with a gun, twisted your arm, threatened your family if you didn’t sign. You had “freedom” to walk away. You didn’t, you signed without reservation and because you did, you had an obligation to do/abide by the rules of that contract.

  The UFOC part, must have updated information on all franchisees currently doing business with the master, those no longer doing business and any/all lawsuits that are envolved at the time of signing. If you couldn’t reach the majority of those, then I would have requested and updated list, if they couldn’t provide, then I would have walked away. If the UFOC was not proper, then you have a right to sue, based upon that.

  Forgive me for not knowing “who” you were when I first started “writing” here. I will fully admit, you have put “your money” where “your mouth is” in regards to suing Jan-Pro. But my question was then, still is now, what’s next. I believe that all you want is to gain fame, little fortune (probably won’t even get your investment back) and you still haven’t thought about anyone else. You still believe everything at Jan-Pro is bad, I disagree, though changes need to be made, though issues need to be resolved, I still believe that for “some” people a unit franchise is a good investment. Even a “life changing” investment, not to the degree of 100% financial independence, but for those people that want to put a child through college, that want to purchase their 1st home, for those that want to purchase a newer car, for those that want stable supplemental income, for those that want an “investment” that will continue through their “golden years”. This is it. If handled, supported and done correctly.

  You claim to “have proof”, well you should have shown that “proof” by now to the Jan-Pro lawyers, if you had “anything” that they felt uncomfortable with, they would have initiated settlement talks, like Jani-King and Coverall have at different times. Granted attorney’s can be arrogant, but when representing a corporation with “stock holders” or in this case “equity partner”, they usually “air” on the side of caution and want to “dispose” of matters such as these quickly and quietly. That should say something to you and to your attorney’s.

  In closing, I feel for the owner/operators having to work “with” master owners such as the one I worked for, I feel for the owner/oprators that were “mislead” and were “mistreated” and my heart has and will continue to “go out” to them. However, I feel you are in this “fight” for a different reason, you don’t want to “reform or change” this situation, you want “blood and vengence”, you don’t want to make things better for the majority, you want to make things better for the few, you don’t want to do “right” by the thousands of hard working, classy owner/operators that are working in their accounts day/night in and out now providing quality service and have made just as much investment or even larger than you did, you want what you and your attorneys want and that’s “fame”, possible “fortune” and notority. I have no problem with that other than you need to “come clean” and admit that.

  In other words, “give up” on any financial award, cover attorney’s fees only and go for “reforming” the industry as a whole. You won’t, your attorney’s won’t, so call this what it is, “out for yourself and a few”.

  Finally, you keep harping on the “thousands” that have left Jan-Pro, who cares how many have left, what’s that got to do with anything? Some left in “our group” simply because they moved, one went back to Africa, one moved to Arizona, one other moved to Illinois, granted, some left because they didn’t want to do this any more, but even with all of that, we had no more than 10% turnover in a year’s time.

  I don’t think there are “thousands” that have left, unless you are looking at “total numbers” since Jan-Pro was founded. Your attorney’s can request that information, but you could only get it for the last couple of years. Before that, it was “in house” or with the “masters” only, I doubt they even tracked it.

• 1st amendment, Jerry “v” or iloveamerica,

  Getting tired of the same old “crap” spewing from your writings. In closing comments, let me give you some “predictions”.

  1. Jury will find Jan-Pro “not guilty” on the following subjects:

  a) Misclassification of employee’s. There will be no proof that any harm has been done by Jan-Pro against the Owner/Operators in question.

  b) FDD, though it may be difficult for any “non-lawyer” to understand, there was ample time, ample opportunity for you and the other Owner/Operators to take to a professional, attorney, accountant or significant other to advise.

  c) Accounts “underbid”, don’t even see how this is relevant, but in all honesty, Jan-Pro will/can offer literally dozens of professionals with many impressive credentials to speak to the “underbid” allegations, again, it will be not guilty.

  d) “Stealing” your “underbid” accounts from you, bet you a dime to a dollar they have paperwork, copies of emails, statements from yours and other customers justifying the pulling of the accounts.

  e) Deception/Fraud, your word against theirs, you state they told you, you would earn $25.00 per hour cleaning commercial accounts, guarantee if they said anything close to this, it was as follows” If you handle things correctly, flow your work, train yourself and/or your people, you have the “potential” of earning up to $25.00 per hour”. Much different story, doubt anything close to $25.00 per hour was ever mentioned even in California.

  f) RICO and Racateering charges, proof not there, charges made without full knowledge by you, doubt any of your attorneys that you are “pimping for” even came close to saying that in a court of law.

  You say you spoke to dozens, then hundreds and now it’s thousands, of owner/operators both current and former. No wonder you can’t/don’t respond to my various legitimate questions.

  If I were a Jan-Pro attorney, I would love to have you on the stand. You don’t know what to say, how to say it and in all honesty, you are too emotional, too unprofessional and you “say too much”!!!!!!!

  Maybe one day, you’ll wake up and realize what I’ve been saying all along is true, and your attorney’s will realize there is nothing there and before they lose all credit with the court system, judge and the owner/’operators they claim to have “best interests” for, they will sit down and work out a reasonable settlement which includes proper oversight and reform.

• Jerry:

  Some of what you mention in your 1 a-f statement is true.

  However, some are wrong.

  EVERYONE should use caution in any agreement.

  Learn how to operate this type of business on your own. Many have side businesses that are doing well.

  Semper Fi

• Former Jan-Pro Operations Manager.

  Absolutely, no one should enter into any “financial” relationship without verification, fact finding, due dilligence etc…. Would you or I buy a car unseen, would we sign the financial or financing agreements if left blank by the dealer, would we “trust” that everything the dealer told us about the car was true without checking it out, test driving it, going to Car Fax etc…. If we would do at least that for a “car”, shouldn’t we do at least that for a financial arrangement equal too or greater than that?

  Point being, everyone in a business relationship has a level of responsibility, did Jan-Pro and others do everything perfect, no. But nor did 1st amendment and the people he “lathered up”. Don’t get me wrong, everyone has “fault” in this, including the attorney’s who are only in it for $$$$$$$$$. They don’t give a “rats rump” what happens to these people, what happens to these companies etc… all they care about is $$$$$$$$.

  Thanks for your comments, I hope everything goes well for you in your endeavors.

• Jerry, there absolutely are markets that the going rate is between 22 and 25 dollars per hour for cleaning services.

• Jason,

  There very well may be, but few and far between, I’ve owned, managed, regional vice president for companies East of the Mississippi. You might also be talking about “195.00” per month for once per week cleaning, but you will never find that rate for a 5X, 6X or 7X per week cleaning. I’ve been with two owner/operator companies, one “regional developer company”, my own company was a “traditonal cleaning company”, I also was the Regional Manager for two “national companies” one based in New York, one based in Dallas.

• This is in response to someone who calls himself jerry ?? From Indiana ??

  To his post on June 23

  Like I have told you before we were ripped-off, we were lied to, we were deceived and they used missrepresentfull tactics to take our money. A Judge recently said that the way a cleaning franchisor does business is like a Modified Ponzi Scheme. If Bernie Madoff was able to rip-off the rich and powerful and there attorneys then jan-pro was able to do it to us.

  In a recent article on the website Franchisetimes.com the article “Franchise Litigation Started Out With A Bang” by Meredeth Barzen she wrote that when a franchisor looses a lawsuit they get mad and tell there Lawyer to write the right language on the new contracts that way next time the franchisor can rip-off the franchisee. So from the beginning we know that jan-pro was already planning bad business practices.

  You try and suggest that jan-pro didn’t do everything perfect. That is a very misleading bad example that you suggested. What jan-pro does is not a simple mistake. They are stealing just like a criminal does just like Bernie Madoff. I will repeat they steal accounts and commit Fraud. They steal accounts by telling people that the customer isn’t happy and tell people to turn in the keys or they will get Fined $500.00 Dollars everyday if they don‘t. Then when the person goes back to talk to the customer the customer tells the person that they were very happy with there cleaning. That is Stealing, Theft and part of the Racket that jan-pro is pulling to line there pockets with stolen $$$$$$$.

  Then you also try and say that I lathered up people? Here you go again with your mumbo jumbo. Then you get mad when I call you a dirty little monkey who only throws poo at the wall to see what he can sneak in and stick on the wall.

  A. First of all I did not start the current National Class Action Lawsuit. This was started by some people who were ripped-off in another state.

  B. Are you also going to accuse me of all the other Lawsuits against jan-pro?

  C. Are you going to also accuse me of all the other lawsuits that were settled out of court?

  D. Are you going to also accuse me of the time jan-pro was exposed on Television? I had nothing to do with that. That was some hard working ladies who got ripped-off and they sent an e-mail to the Television station and that’s when the TV station exposed jan-pro on there station.

  If people didn’t get ripped-off there wouldn’t be all of these lawsuits or complaints.

  Again you slander and defame our attorneys. You don’t even know our attorneys. They are good people who have families. They stand up for the rights of hardworking people.

  Besides jan-pro left us no other option. We tried talking to them but they just wouldn’t listen. They left us no other option than to seek legal help. Did you expect us to not have the help from an attorney and have hundreds of us walk into a courthouse and ask the people at the courthouse for the right kind of paperwork and start a national class action by ourselves? Besides if jan-pro wasn’t ripping-off people they wouldn’t need attorneys to help them with all the lawsuits that they have.

• hello all i was thinking bout buying one since i read these i did my reseach and found out all type of franchises are all the same mcdonalds burger king tocobell ect. mcdonals you have a 45000 dollar yearly fee plus 12.5 royalty fee and on top of that all u need between $900000 to $1800000 just to start it up and reququired that 25 percent is payed from you pocket no loans. you need to be practicly a millionair just to make money for example you mcdonals made made $3000000 in one year minus the royalties at 12.5 % (375000) yearly fee($45000) yearly taxes at 25%Wicth its really more since its comercial(750000) General manager ($60000) First Assistant ($30000)
  Second Assistant ($23000) Two Swing managers($33000) 2 matniace ($32000)
  15 employees at min wage [$7.25](low estimate with one employee working perhour store open 20 hours a day so approximently $791700) electric ($4000)
  Heat($6000) water($2000) profit of $848300 still alot of money but this is a high estimate i didn’t put the factor of health care dental vison property insurance theft insurance ect. Say your mcdonalds is in a good location making good money and want to sell mcdonalds will still charge the new buyer th same start up fees you already payed even tho it an established state. so for the people complaining that jan pro would sell the customers you loss to another franhisee all franchises will do the same. and for the people who say that jan pro main frnchiser makes the big buck dont you think all franchises main franchior makes the raelly big bucks yes they do. mcdonalds for example just say there is 100000 mcdoanls franchisee in the world and each is making 3000000 a year the main franchisor will gross $420000000000.

• 1st amendment:

  There you go again, nothing new, nothing or little factual. I outlined area by area how you will lose your lawsuit. You still don’t answer the questions, you still go “site to site” and “cut and paste” garbage.

  A) The language used by Judge Young in his ruling, even he “detracted” it by saying “it doesn’t fit here” because of the training, uniforms, ID Badges etc…. provided by Coverall to the prospective owner/operator.

  B) You still don’t get it, or don’t care to get it. Your attorneys, like all attorneys are only “in things” for money and/or fame. That’s not slander, that’s a fact. Their business volume has probably doubled, whether they are “good people” or not, is beside the fact, they are in this fight for the money and fame it is bringing them. They really don’t care at the end of the day, “who” wins this fight, they only care about how much money/fame/standing they get in the legal community.

  For if they really cared, they would present a list of “reforms” needed to insure that all of the current owner/operators would be able to “satisfy” their needs, they would “settle” for the one’s that were truly “harmed” and they would look to “work” with Jan-Pro, Coverall and Jani-King attorneys to provide a “cleaner and clearer” document that all could “live with”. Have they, no! Will they, no!, Will you, no!

  In regards to you personally, let’s say you are a “good person”, which because of how you handle yourself on this “blog” and others, I would at best, say that is a “coin flip”. You would be screaming at the top of your lungs to not only “right” the wrong for the past owner/operators but protect those currently working at the “big three” going to their job sites on a nightly basis, providing quality service, making sure that on a daily basis, their investement is protected.

  What do you do, nothing, you don’t take into account those people, you only look at the “former one’s”, not the “current one’s”. You only want “justice” regardless of who it hurts in the process. You think of no one else, but yourself.

  I have called you out, I have shown you to be the “lackey” that you are for your attorneys. I have stated repeatidly about how the industry does need reform, I have stated repeatidly that their are bad “master owners”, I have stated repeatidly that the current “executive staff” of Jan-Pro is made up of “un-qualified, un-caring, un-passionate people” and have openly called for their removal. I have shown the “way” for reforming the industry by making some very basic changes in operational and “money” aspects. What have you done but “cut and paste”.

  You are no better than the people you claim to be against. You are no better than the attorneys representing you and Jan-Pro who don’t care about the thousands of current and former owner/operators, care about the industry as a whole, who don’t care about true reform.

  You are a joke, you are a fraud, you have misrepresented yourself to “hundreds” of people, should I start a national class action suit against you?

• well 1st amendment: was that repost to me if so i am sorry say there was a 1000000 mcdonals there is only 23000 in 122 contries but still dont you think mcdonals is doing the same jan- pro is doing

• 1st amendment:

  Amazing, how you keep forgetting anything about “your” responsibilities in the “business model”.

  1. You were supposed to go to “your accounts” on a monthly basis and meet with your customers, do a quality control inspection, have that customer sign off on that inspection. Did you do that? Guarantee that you didn’t. So, when you lost your “underbid” customer, was that your fault or Jan-Pro’s. Are you trying to say that you cleaned perfectly every night, that you had no complaints, no issues etc.. Probably not.

  2. You were supposed to read the FDD. You had the obligation to check out all of the current and for that matter, former franchisee’s listed in the UFOC. Did you? Probably not.

  3. You were supposed to do due dilligence, which includes a basic check of all the facts, the documentation provided to you, you had a minimum of 10 days from the date of presentation to make a decision. Did you do any due dilligence? No or probably not. You go from post to post now, why didn’t you then?

  4. You say they “misrepresented” themselves, I gave you examples of what was probably said, but you claim you have it in writing, be interested to see that come up in court. There are very few, jobs that envolve cleaning making $25.00 per hour.

  5. You say they took your money, didn’t give you proper support, proper training, proper knowledge of what you were to do. So I gave you the example of when you go and buy a car, you didn’t respond to my simple statement.

  6. You keep using Bernie Madoff and his “scheme” as an equal point to what supposidly happened to you and the other “owner/operators”. Let me first state the following: a) Just because someone is rich, doesn’t make them smart. I have met plenty of “rich” in my life, most of them didn’t have enough common sense to “wipe themselves” much less do any due dilligence. b) Most rich do “things” because other “rich people” are doing them, it’s almost like people who go to “dog fights” they do it, because others are doing it and they want to be in that “gangsta” culture. ie…. Michael Vick, did he really need the income of “dog fighting” or was he doing it because he wanted to be “black enough”.

  In closing, I hope your “trail” starts soon, I hope you lose, I hope that you lose not because of my personality differences and yours, I hope that you lose so someone with real “clout”, someone with real “problems” and someone with real “solutions” can step forward and do what is right by the vast majority instead of the few.

  In regards to your attorneys, if they are such “outstanding people” they should have no problem refunding your money and the others, they should have no problem doing this case on 100% settlement/award basis, they should have no problem forgoing any more interviews, any more webinars, any more editorial posts, any more “advertising” oportunities. Also in regards to your attorneys, since they “know the law” if I’ve said anything “unworthy” or “defaming” or “illegal” they know how to file a lawsuit don’t they?

  Let’s see if you can finally answer the questions, let’s see if you can have some facts, let’s see if you can really do something without “cut and paste”. How about an original thought from you!!!

• To someone who calls himself jerry ?? Who says that he is from Indiana ??

  This is in response to his comment on June 20

  Here we go again now your saying that I’m some kind of front man. This is your attempt to put me down and attack my character. When all I’m doing is stating the facts of what has happened to me and so many people from around the country. You can’t handle the truth.

  1. Again you continue to slander and defame my attorneys. You don’t even know them personally and you continue to tell lies about them. You should ask yourself why the attorneys for jan-pro wrote up such a complicated Fdd that it’s like Tax Code. Why did jan-pro do that? So that they could rip-us off.

  2. Wrong again I do care about all of my fellow Americans from all around the United States of America and Canada who have been ripped-off. We don’t want jan-pro to continue to rip-off anymore people. It’s really sad when jan-pro is ripping off a single Mom, or a family or someone in the military. I don’t want thousands more of people getting ripped-off. They need to stop to there illegal business practices just like we asked the Judge in our complaint

  3. You say that your Master owner was a joke. Then you say that some were good. If you weren‘t working there for a long time then how could you know different masters?? What did you do go around from state to state working for different masters?? You still didn’t answer the question why were you going to be terminated ??? The only thing you said was that the master had committed violations but you still didn’t answer why you were going to be terminated.

  4. Your last sentence again you try and pull a fast one on me. You said that I don’t like the business and then how dare you say that I don’t like the people doing the hard work. I don’t know what kind of shenanigans your trying to pull but you know very well that the masters and corporate are in cahoots. You know very well that we are taking legal action against corporate because they are the ones who run the whole corporation.

  5. Again you try and attack me and my character. I give you Facts and statements that were said to me and you try and turn everything around and attack me. You don’t even know me but you easily attack me. All you are doing is throwing poo at the wall to try and see if you can make something stick but nothing is working for you. Anybody looking at buying a fake franchise with jan-pro remember they have no word so if they tell you that you will make $25.00 Dollars an hour they are liars.

  6. You said that the FDD “ is what it is ” You prove my point that it’s Deceitful, Misrepresentfull, Fraud and a total Racket. It’s like reading tax code and again I ask you why does jan-pro do this ? The answer so that they can rip- us-off. You said that no one put a gun to our heads. Well Bernie Madoff didn’t put a gun to nobodies head nor did Enron or all those bad people who rip-off senior citizens. Besides no body, absolutely no body deserves to get ripped-off no mater who they are or were they come from. What if your Mom had signed something with tricky tax code confusing word tricks and she had to be someones slave? Well Mr, slavery has been outlawed and is illegal. These contracts are Fraud. Ask yourself what will our country turn to if we let these corporations get away with these corrupt illegal scams.

  7. Here you go again telling the same old lies about me over and over again. Here you go again lying and saying that I want to be “famous”. Seriously is that the best you can do is accuse me of wanting “fame”. Let me get this so you are saying that because I stood up for myself because I got ripped-off from a fake cleaning franchisor that I should expect fame??? Yea I can just see all the paparazzi after me. Sounds like you are just throwing more poo at the wall trying to see what you can make stick but it doesn’t it falls right down the wall. I wonder what is the next lie you will tell about me. You say that a unit franchise is good but you wouldn’t even buy one yourself. How can you even recommend someone buy a fake unti franchise when even you wouldn’t buy one. Then you try and say that this is a good investment for people wanting to buy there first home. You gota be kidding me. Do you know how many people that I have talked to that lost there houses because of jan-pro? To many.

  8. Like I said before we do have great proof that would singe the hair of a monkeys behind. However jan-pro and there attorneys just don’t care. They want to pull there shenanigans and take there chances and see if they can rip-us-off. By the way I do know of many jan-pro settlements and several lawsuits.

  9. You keep saying “ Owner/Operators ” by now you know that we are treated worse than employees and that we don’t own anything. Jan-pro took all that money from us and we own nothing. You know we are misclassified and in reality employees. Again you begin with your lies saying that I want blood and vengeance however if someone ripped you off or your grandma you to would want justice. You try and turn it around to make me the bad person by you suggesting that I want Blood. What kind of shenanigans are you pulling here again? We seek justice just like you would if someone ripped you off. You also keep saying that I want fame and notoriety and fortunes, more lies and more lies and a constant attack on me and my character. You are seriously lost if you think that you can get famous from this or even want to. I can see that replying to you is just a waste of time. You need to come forward and tell us who you really are working for. Do you have money invested in a Master franchise are you partners with a master franchise or how much is a master franchise paying you to come in here and attack me constantly everyday even on.

  10. We are trying to reform the industry, didn’t you read what I posted before. On the complaint on page 14 you can read that we are seeking that the court grant us a Declaratory and Injunctive relief, requiring jan-pro to cease its illegal practices. We want jan-pro to stop ripping off so many single Moms, veterans and families.

  11. You said something that absolutely is mind-boggling. How can you say that it doesn’t matter how many Thousands of families, veterans and families have left jan-pro? I guess you don’t care about all these people who got ripped-off. They didn’t just leave jan-pro ripped-them off. You said that these people simply moved and now I know that you are Lying! You say that they moved to Africa and one moved to Arizona you have got to be kidding me. You are a liar. The manager at jan-pro told me the same thing and later on I found out that some people were being intimidated and retaliated against so some people told her that they were moving and then they would change there Phone numbers to stop jan-pro from harassing them. You must have been doing the same thing intimidating them and harassing them so they probably told you we are moving to AFRICA! I can tell you must have been harassing them and intimidating them because you are in here constantly attacking me. Remember you said that you were going to follow me on this blog and constantly watch me. I even waited to post until early Sunday morning on Fathers day just to prove that you are constantly after me and you proved me right a short while later there you were attacking me again. I feel sorry for those people that told you that they moved to Arizona and Africa. How badly were you Harassing them?

  12. Here you again trying to hide information. Like I said before if Mc Donald’s knows how many chicken Mc Nuggets they have sold since 1970 then jan-pro knows how many thousands of people they have ripped-off. Just like Enron you want to shred and hide the evidence.

• So are u saying mcdonalds as a whole isnt ripping there franchisees off?

• I WAS A JAN PRO FRANCHISEE UP UNTIL RECENTLY WHEN THEY DECIDED TO TAKE MY ENTIRE BUSINESS AWAY. THEY ARE SCAM ARTIST, MONEY HUNGRY LIARS WHO WILL SAY AND DO WHATEVER THEY HAVE TO TO CLOSE THE DEAL AND ONCE THE DEAL IS DONE YOU GET TO SEE THERE TRUE INTENTIONS. WHATEVER YOU DO DON’T BECOME A VICTIM LIKE MY HUSBAND AND I. JAN-PRO IS NOTHING BUT A PYRAMID PONZY SCHEME FROM THE MOMENT YOU PURCHASE YOUR FRANCHISE YOU ARE ONLY 1 DAY CLOSER TO LOSING IT! THEY SELL MORE FRANCHISES THAN THEY CAN ACCOMODATE. THE SAME DAY THEY TOOK MY SUPPOSED TO BE $60,000/YR BUSINESS AWAY THEY HAD A NEW FRANCHISEE SERVICING OUR BUILDINGS! WHICH ONLY MEANS ONE THING, THEY HAD OUR BUSINESS SOLD BEFORE THEY EVEN TOOK IT AWAY! MY HUSBAND AND I INVESTED CLOSE TO $20,000 FOR A BUSINESS THAT LASTED LESS THAN 2 YEARS AND WAS NEVER FULLFILLED! DO NOT MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE WE DID!!! WE ARE NOW UNEMPLOYED LEFT WITH NOTHING BUT BILLS. WHAT THEY HAVE DONE TO US IS GOING TO BE LIFE CHANGING, BECAUSE LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE IN THIS RECESSION WE STRUGGLE TO MAKE ENDS MEET. I JUST WANT TO WARN EVERYONE DON’T FALL FOR THERE “SWEET DEAL” BECAUSE IT IS REALLY TO GOOD TO BE TRUE DON’T FALL FOR IT!!!

• 1st amendment: Sorry, didn’t know it took you so long to read the posts here. Obviously, with all the one’s you are monitoring, I guess I should give you more time to read and respond.

  Your ramblings are funny. You still don’t get it do you? You are going to lose. I have outlined the numerous reasons you are going to lose even in such a liberal state as Massachusetts, you are going to lose. These people you keep “dragging” along with you, don’t understand, I don’t think you understand either. You say you have proof, haven’t you disclosed the “TRUTH”, if it were of such, Jan-Pro would have settled with you already. They would be “shutting you up” and they would be “shutting your attorney’s up” as well.

  Obviously, they think they can “handle the truth”. I have spoken of reforming the industry, making it better for everyone, I have outlined where there are issues in the Master and Corporate level of the relationship, I have outlined some of the penalties that should be removed, I have outlined where there needs to be real change and real reform, all you do is send the same tired, old, dribble.

  Is that because you are “unitelligent” , you did claim that on several ocassions including your latest post when you say the FDD is like a Tax Code. Funny, it doesn’t take me that long to do my taxes either, why?, because I’m smart enough to realize that “I’m not smart enough” and take them to my CPA to do.

  Is that because you look to blame others in your life for your misfortune. There are numerous people in this country that expect others to pay for their misfortune. You seem to be one of those people. If you had spent half the time running your “Jan-Pro” business as you do on these blogs, you would have probably made it.

  If you had spent time with your “customer”, if you had spent time cleaning them properly, if you had spent time developing a relationship with them, you would probably still have them, with or without Jan-Pro.

  If you had done your due dilligence, if you had done a reasonable amount of home work, if you had put forth a reasonable amount of effort, would you be in this same position? Probably not.

  Let me ask a final question, you seem to know so much about how Coverall operates, is that because you are the “Vasquez” that sued coverall approx. 10 Years ago as well? Could it be, you are simply going from company to company, that you have no real interest in working with/in the janitorial industry? Just asking, same name, could be like “smith” is in some parts of the U.S.

  In regards to your attorneys, should be big enough, should be “law school” educated enough, if I’ve said anything slanderous, defaming or plain just “lied”, shouldn’t they be able to “sue” me. How about you, if you say that I’ve harmed you by questioning your motives, questioning your position, questioning your loyalty, questioning your thoughts, can’t you “sue” me?

  Here’s a McDonalds comparison for “LEE the GREAT”, how is what McDonalds does any different than Jan-Pro?

  McDonalds dictates uniforms, staffing requirements, what you “wrap” your burgers in, type of % of fat your burgers can have in them, what you serve drinks in, what computer system you run, what your restaurant must look like, cleaning procedures for your restaurant, must approve your restaurant location, must tell you where to buy your buns from, what logo’s go where etc….. The only “thing” McDonalds, doesn’t own, is usually the land the restaurant sits on. The only “thing” McDonald’s can’t take away from you is the land, but they can force you to sell, they have a “buyout” clause already in the franchise agreement that corporate can/will affect if/when certain issues arise.

  Bottom line is, you have less control as a McDonald’s “owner/operator” than you do as a Jan-Pro “owner/opertor”.

  So, 1st amendment, there you go, I’ve outlined the points of your case, your attorney’s will review, admit I’m right in what I’ve said, tell you that they can still win, after you lose, you won’t get as much as a phone call returned from them, they won’t “appeal” your loss unless it benefits them somehow. (probably pride getting in the way) but once they lose the appeal, they won’t even know your name. All this for what? Because you wouldn’t listen to reason, because you wouldn’t “work to settle”, because you have “vengence”, “out for blood”, “fame” mentality, all these “women”, “mothers”, “fathers” , “vets” etc… that you claim to want to help, get nothing!!!!!! On your head, no one elses.

• I’m confused who is against Jan Pro and who isnt?

• 1st amendment is totally against Jan-Pro. Some others have “issues” with Jan-Pro but are willing to be reasonable.

  I’m the only one that is “for” though I have issues with the Upper Management and some of the “Master Owners”.

  Hope this helps.

• To someone who calls himself jerry ? Who says that he is from Indiana ?

  In response to his post on June 21, 2010

  You start of your post by attacking me and attacking the Truth that I have spoken. You are mad that jan-pro is being exposed and that the truth is coming out. I bet that you are a part owner of a master franchise or you must own one or some master franchisor is paying you $$$ Big Bucks to attack me. Something is surely up because you are in here seven days a week 24 hours a day attacking me and throwing poo at the wall. I wonder how much money $$$ a master franchise is paying you.

  1. I don’t think that your predictions will come true. We have so much evidence that it will singe the hair of a monkeys behind.

  2. They will find that jan-pro has broken many laws and also Misclassified us. The Judge has already proven it according to the Law. Look at this case Coverall North America v Commissioner of the Division of Unemployment Assistance. Since the courts found that Coverall had misclassified this lady and that they had underbid the buildings so low that she was making less than minimum wage she won and was also able to get unemployment benefits. A lot of harm has been done by them Misclassifying everyone. They underbid so low that we were making less than minimum wage. By them misclassifying us they were able to bid so low that we were getting less than minimum wage. The harm is there and very evident. I could go on for example accounts taken away for no reason that is theft, Jan-pro checks bouncing fraud, Ridiculous fines just so that they can enrich themselves a Racket.

  3. The FDD is very Misrepresentfull and very, very tricky and Deceitful, even jan-pros attorneys admit that it’s very hard to understand. If Jan-pros attorneys have a hard time understanding it then your average hard working American will have a very hard time to. You have to ask yourself why does jan-pro do this? Why do they play word tricks and make something that has to do with cleaning buildings into something so Deceitful. What if they start putting trickier language on there and they start putting on there FDD that people will be there slaves and servants for life? What if they tricked your Mom into signing something like that, should she then be a slave for life? You know that would be wrong because slavery is against the Law. Should we allow these scam and Deceitfull Ponzi Schemes to exist in this great country of ours. What is this the best country in the world turning into. Should we allow these corporations to take advantage of hard working Americans. Should we allow these companies to rip-off single Moms, Veterans and Families. I hope not.

  4. We will also proof that Thousands of jan-pros accounts are very badly underbid. You said that it wasn’t relevant but its very important because this is part of the Racket Ponsi Scheme that they are pulling. They hope that you get tired of getting ripped-off and that you walk away so that they can resale that account to someone else and make Thousands of $$$ Dollars $$$ more. Before you know it they have resold an account 5 times and jan-pro has made Thousands of $$$ Dollars $$$ from this Racket. There is Thousands of cleaning companies that can testify to how jan-pro underbids so low that it takes them out of business. This is unfair competition because jan-pro gets away from doing this because they rip-off there people and they don’t have to play by the rules that independent companies have to. This is unfair competition. Don’t be surprised if independent companies start taking action against cleaning franchisors for there unfair competition tactics.

  5. If you are an independent company and a cleaning franchisor unfairly took your business away you might want to file a complaint with this Government office. Go to the bottom of this website.
  http://www.stopfraud.gov/report.html#unfair

  6. You said that you want to bet me a dime and maybe a dollar that they have this fake paperwork that they had the right to steal peoples accounts away. Well I will bet you a Million Dollars that we will prove this fraud and that they had no right to steal these accounts away.

  7. I was told that I would make $25.00 Dollars an hour. California is one the most expensive states to live in. They told me that just to get my money. However I noticed how you try and CHANGE things around. I can tell that you were trained in jan-pros deceptive ways.

  8. According to the information that I have looked at on the internet jan-pro has violated and continues to violate and break the law. The Rico and Racketeering Acts. To my knowledge they are in violation of 3 of the 2 laws needed to be prosecuted under the Rico and Racketeering Acts. Other franchisors have been prosecuted for breaking these Laws.

  9. Here you go again trying to change things and basically lying. I never said that I have spoken to Thousands of people. I said that I have spoken to close to 100 people from around the country and Canada. These people have told me that they know of a lot of people who are getting ripped-off. Now I know of over 35 people from my local office who got ripped-off personally. If these 100 people know of another 35 people then this would be 3500 people who are getting ripped-off and that’s not even counting all the other people who moved or changed there numbers because jan-pro was harassing them. If we also ad a lot of other people that we never met I’m sure that there is a few more Thousands who got ripped-off.

  10. To j from Indiana or whoever you are. You said that you are an inside person at jan-pro and then you changed it to that you are no longer there because the master franchisor was going to Fire you. You said that you were an operations manager in a city in Indiana only, so how could you know so many different master franchisors if you were just a simple manager in Indiana. Who knows who you are? If you are no longer with jan-pro why are you here everyday 7 days a week 24 hours a day attacking me and other people who got ripped-off by jan-pro? It’s only obvious that you have some interest or something to loose and that is why you protect some of there master franchises. You are either part owner of a master franchise or own one. Of course you will probably lye to us and deny this. One of the things you said on an earlier post was that you would Never Ever buy a unit franchise but that you would buy a Master Franchise.

  You need to also come forward and tell us why the master franchisor in Indiana was going to Fire you. You need to tell us what Laws they have broken and who they have hurt.

  Once it is all said and done. Once the court proceedings and appeals have come to a conclusion and once the outcome is final, whether we get justice or not you will not be able to fool God. What ever the outcome is, there will be one Being that you will not be able to Fool. When we all pass from this earth God will pass Judgment and make Justice. When the time comes to meet your maker, when you are days or hours from meeting your maker you will have to ask yourself if you lived a good life and if you did the right thing.

• 1st amendment, Iloveamerica, Jerry “V” or whoever you are today:

  This bantering back and forth is good for the site, good entertainment, shows up on other sites as well. Here’s the problem, to keep people “interested” you can’t keep “hashing up” the same old stuff. You are very “picky” about what “facts” you chose to find and how you chose to “use” them.

  1. Never side I was an Operations Manager, current or former for Jan-Pro.
  2. You stated you already knew who I was, I gave you permission to “expose” me, still haven’t done so. Said that you had talked to owner/operators who knew me, if that was the case, then didn’t they tell you “who” I was/am.
  3. You continue to state that Jan-Pro mislead you, REALLY!! Said that Jan-Pro’s attorneys said that the FDD was unable to be read/understood by “normal americans”. REALLY!! If an attorney representing my company, said something like that in a general affadavit format, I would FIRE THEM!!!! still the same attorney’s aren’t they? Maybe, they “played you”, as I’ve stated numerous times before, YOU don’t know when to “shut up”, I’ll bet they made a statement, you fell right into that and then started “babbling” about items they are going to use and tear you up with in court.
  4. FDD is what it is, you need to read it, you can’t understand it, take it to someone who does, accountant, lawyer, other business owner etc… You still don’t understand something and you still “sign it”. Doesn’t make much sense to me nor the others reading this site. You don’t deny, that they didn’t give you at least ten days before contacting you again, you don’t deny that they didn’t have a gun, threaten your family, twist your arm, threaten to “beat your mother” if you didn’t sign with them right?
  5. So far, you have admitted on this blog, that you didn’t follow the instructions laid out in policy and procedures by handling your customer properly. Which clearly states as follows:
  a) You have the right to walk an account prior to accepting
  b) You have the right to have a copy of the executed contract including specifications for that account prior to accepting.
  c) You have the right to see/introduce/meet the customer before accepting that account.
  d) Upon acceptance, you are to clean the account per the specifications shown and agreed upon.
  e) Upon acceptance, you are to do the following after the first cleaning:
  1. Call the customer, see how the “first night” went, any issues, correct them.
  2. Call the customer, the first through third weeks at least once per week, check in, make sure all items are being addressed any issues.
  3. Meet with the customer on a Monthly basis, fill out customer survey form, turn that form into the regional office by date specified in order to remain complient.

  As I’ve stated before, if you had done those items, you wouldn’t be in the postiion you are now. You’ve done none of them, you have no proof of doing them, you want to blame someone else for your lack of following simple format for success.

  In regards to “independent companies” and their “claims against” Jan-Pro, Jani-King and others, what a pile of GARBAGE!!!. The true “propblem” in the industry is the “mom and pops” that have no clue as to what they are doing, don’t know how to bid jobs, don’t staff jobs correctly, don’t pay taxes, don’t report taxes, don’t know how to clean and especially in today’s economy, underbid everyone dramatically. Every Jan-Pro office, including your former one, has cabinet drawers full of bids that they didn’t get because they were too high. For every “expert” someone can put up, Jan-Pro can put up three.

  You will lose because you are wrong, you will lose because you didn’t follow the format outlined in writing, you will lose because it will become quite obvious to a jury of “peers” that you didn’t do the things necessary to perform the work in order to keep the customer. You will lose because common sense prevails even in Massachussetts!!!!

  Coverall will end up in the end winning their lawsuit, whether in the lower court or the upper/appeals court. Legislation already on its way through the House/Senate of Massachussetts to “clean up” the language in the independent contractor statue.

  Coverall won in the misclasification case. No award was given, Coverall has “judgement” against the plantiffs for attorney’s fees, court costs etc…

  Your attorneys, will abandon you after they lose, you will be left holding the bag. You have no case, you have little “proof” and at the end of the day, because you have chosen to go down this “path”, you will be judged as a failure and it’s on you, because you helped bring people to a “lathered up” stage, not me.

  You want to win, start talking to the people at Webster about what issues are “real”.

  You want to win, start talking about the lack of control Corporate Jan-Pro has over the Master Owners, especially those brought on by Jacque Lapointe.

  You want to win, start talking about the “lackey’s” in chagre of Jan-Pro Corporate and how poorly they have handled this whole “mess”.

  You want to win, start getting “reasonable people” with “reasonable solutions” to start talking for you and the owner/operators both past and present.

  But you don’t want that, you want “vengence”, you want “blood”, you want “fame”. You don’t want reason, you don’t want to protect those currently in the system, you don’t want reform the industry, you’re in this for all the wrong reasons. That’s why you will lose.

• So jerry ur opion should I get a franchise i was thinking about it?

• Lee the Great:

  1. Have you ever been in the cleaning business before?
  2. Do you understand that this business is hard, that you are going to have to spend time, resources and put forth effort to make this business grow?
  3. Did you spend time investigating the “Master” and have you met his “key” staff?
  4. Do you understand that you are going to have to do the work yourself for a period of time in order to “recoup” your investment at a reasonable pace?
  5. The one’s that make it as a unit franchisee, whether it’s with Coverall, Jani-King , Jan-Pro’s or another, understand the above at a minimum.

  If so, yes. If you’re looking to “blame” someone else when things get tough, if you’re looking at $25.00 to $50.00 per hour on your investment, if you’re wanting to spend a bunch of time, money and effort on things other than cleaning business, then NO!!!!

  I’ve been in this business for over 25 Years, I’ve made good money, some would even say GREAT money. But even after 25 Years in this industry, I DON”T KNOW EVERYTHING!!!! Because I understand that, I still spend time researching, learning, investigating, planning, teaching, organizing etc…… People like 1st amendment, Jerry “V”, ILOVEAMERICA and others like him don’t. They thought it was easy, they didn’t do their homework, they didn’t put in the time and effort to “service” their customer, they want to blame everyone else and not take responsibility for their actions, they want to DESTROY this opportunity for literally Ten’s of Thousands of owner/operators currently working in the business for the “Big Three”.

  Bottom line is “LEE THE GREAT”, is this is a great business, if you have the proper support, if you have the will, if you are willing to invest time, money, effort then you can make good money, you can buy new things, you can own your own home, you can put kid’s through college, you can save money for retirement, you can build a nice “nest egg” for yourself and your family. No one is going to “hand it to you”, you’re going to have to earn it everyday. That’s the nature of the business whether your a “traditional company”, “owner/operator company” or whatever.

  Hope this Helps.

• 1st amendment, Jerry “V”, ILOVEAMERICA or whoever you are today.

  Finally took/had the time to re-read the “dribble” that your spewing from the other day.

  1. I’ve already stated that you can “reveal” who I am. You say you “know me”, “know of me”, “know people who know me”. What are you waiting for. Or is this just another load of “monkey dung” that you are throwing around.

  2. No, I am not a “Master Owner” for Jan-Pro, Coverall, Jani-King.

  3. I’ve already stated why I spend time on this site. It’s to counter you. It’s to come after you. It’s to challenge the non-sense that you are spewing. It’s to make your life as miserable as I possibly can. It’s to attack you. (Wait a second, that’s what you are accusing me of doing) Real reason, it’s because you are wrong, you are narrow minded, you are either an attorney representing people in the class action lawsuit, work for an attorney representing people in the class action lawsuit or you are who you say you are and your mis-representing the industry as a whole. Either way, someone needs to “stand up” for the thousands of current owner/operators servicing their accounts, growing their business, handling their business properly on a nightly basis for the “Big Three” figured it might as well be me.

  4. I’ve shown you, told you, given you examples of how “traditional companies” bid jobs, how the “Big Three” bid jobs etc… Both are on the same “level” only question is production rate. Who’s hungrier this time, Who’s in need of more business, Who’s wanting to/needing to grow, Who’s filling in geographically. etc.. For every bid Jan-Pro got, I can guarantee you there are at least two they didn’t get. Yes, even in your office!!!

  5. I’ve shown where you failed in your argument for the underbidding aspect, I’ve shown where you failed in your argument for the FDD, I’ve shown where you’ve failed in the Policy and Procedures aspect of managing your account, I’ve shown where you’ve failed in the “fining” process, I’ve shown where you’ve failed every “step of the way”. Do you learn? NO Do you listen? NO

  Now you want to bring “GOD” into the argument. Seems a bit desperate to me. Really, you want to say “GOD” is going to judge me for countering you, he’s going to “hold me accountable” for my actions in regards to “countering you”, he’s going to “hold me accountable” for things “I did, may have done” to owner/operators, REALLY!!!!! I’m good with that, ARE YOU?

  Where’s your confidence at? Now you are admitting you “Might Lose”, “However this turns out” etc…. HMMM, when I first started “posting here” there was no way you were going to lose, there was no way the “executives” at Jan-Pro weren’t going to jail, there was no way “Jan-Pro and others” were going to remain in business etc…… Wonder what happened? Could it have been a dose of REALITY has set in?

  Don’t want to “squash” you completely, just needed to “break you down”. Here’s the Reality:

  a) Reform is needed in the industry as a whole.
  b) Webster needs to step in, remove the executives at Jan-Pro and replace them with people of integrity, desire, grit and determination to change this company and make it a model for the industry as a whole.
  c) Master Owner who don’t conform to the new rules, new regulations that will assist in protecting owner/operators the proper way, will be removed quickly. Those who violate those new rules/regulations will be fined heavily, will not be allowed to sell unit franchises for a period of time, will face possible removal.
  d) Proper Training of all Master Owner Operations and Sales Staff must be done in the Corporate office/training center with standards of excellance as the core subject, combined with proper knowledge of the industry, trade information etc..
  e) Owner/Operators must have a “voice” in the company, no different than an investor does in a corporation. Owner/Operators are investors in my opinion and should be treated as such/with the respect they deserve.

  In closing, you and I are on the same “TEAM” we are just approaching this in different ways. Your way, you lose. Because you are “all in” and no place to go. My way, we all win (owner/operators, investors, corporate entity,masters, industry as a whole).

  I really don’t wish you “Good Luck” because of what it will mean if you win. You will “win” for yourself and no one else.

  Look forward to reading your responses.

• Thanks Jerry Yea I do understand that i wold have to work as an employee /owner for a few year till everythng can smooth over i did the math and all. And am going to call the other franchisee in the area to ask them.

• Lee the Great:

  Wonderful, you are doing things the right way upfront. If you don’t speak to other owner/operators, if the “master” isn’t proud of his staff, if you don’t feel comfortable understanding and/or signing the FDD, then go down the street.

  You have the freedom to chose or not. I personally think Jan-Pro as a whole, is a good company. I truly believe in the owner/operator system vs. traditional cleaning companies, both in quality of “product” and in the fact that you can certainly make more money being an owner/operator than an employee of another cleaning company.

  I wish you well in your endeavors and I hope that I and this “site” helped. BRAVO!!!

• The following is and article on why you shouldn’t buy a FAKE cleaning franchise. You can read part of it here and you can read the rest of it by going to the link probided. It was published on http://www.Franchisetimes.com The article is
  “Taking off the Gloves” By Julie Bennett

  http://www.franchisetimes.com/content/story_result.php?article=01374

  Taking off the Gloves

  Commercial cleaning franchisees sue

  By Julie Bennett
  As published in: Franchise Times – August 2009

  Several pending court cases, which are all seeking class-action status, challenge the business model on which some of the largest commercial cleaning franchisors have operated for decades.

  Lawsuits have been filed against Jani-King International of Addison, Texas; Coverall Health-Based Cleaning System of Boca Raton, Florida; and Jan-Pro Franchising International of Alpharetta, Georgia.

  But the lawsuits, filed recently in Massachusetts against all three companies and in Pennsylvania, Minnesota and California against Jani-King, contend that the cleaning companies misrepresent their offerings, because they do not have sufficient customers to guarantee each franchisee the amount of monthly cleaning business they purchase. Instead, the lawsuits allege, they breach their contracts by underbidding the amount of time and staffing required for each job, refusing to allow franchisees to inspect cleaning jobs or bid sheets before accepting or rejecting a job, offering geographically inconvenient jobs and unjustly taking jobs from one franchisee to re-sell them to others.

  Perhaps more damaging is a second contention—that these so-called franchisees have so little control over their livelihoods, they should be re-classified as employees of the janitorial franchisors and, therefore, entitled to minimum wages, overtime pay, unemployment benefits and worker’s compensation.

  Lawsuits over misrepresentation and breach of contract are nothing new. According to its 2008 FDD (Franchise Disclosure Document), Coverall has settled 26 such cases in the past 10 years, admitting no guilt, but paying former franchisees settlements of $3,575 to $450,000. Many of the 52 pieces of litigation listed in Jani-King’s FDD also ended in settlement payments. Commercial cleaning franchise contracts are usually written only in English (Coverall has offered a Spanish translation since 2004) and are so complex that the state of Maryland adds a warning page about potential risk factors to their FDDs, said Dale Cantone, Maryland’s assistant attorney general. The Federal Trade Commission distributes a 19-page booklet of cautions for people considering commercial cleaning franchises.

  What is new is the second charge, that commercial cleaning franchisees are merely buying themselves low-paying jobs and should be treated like employees. In 2006 the Massachusetts Supreme Court ruled that a Coverall “franchisee,” Rhina Alvarenga, was actually an employee and therefore entitled to unemployment benefits after Coverall removed her from a nursing home cleaning account. Attorneys representing Jani-King, Jan-Pro and other Coverall franchisees cited that decision in their complaints. “It’s possible that the business model under which they’ve operated could be ruled illegal,” said one of the attorneys.

• 1st amendment: There you go again, not an original thought in your “system” is there? Would love for you to be consistent, what a minute, you are.

• 1st amendment: What’s the matter, have you forgotten how to “read” and “talk” at the same time. Or did I “squash” your spirit, unlike “Voice of Reason” and “Dutch Group” who used to be your rivals on other sites, they “went away”. I’m still here.

• Jerry

  Could you provide additional info on “Webster”?

  How much of Jan-Pro they own, where I could verify the material.

  Thanks

• Former Jan-Pro Operations Manager:

  1. Have nothing further, since they “purchased” Greentree’s Equity in Jan-Pro, that would mean they have controlling interest. Jacque LaPointe has had nothing to do with day to day operations of the company since the Greentree buyout.

  2. Again, all I can say is, they have controlling interest. They have at least 51% control of the company. For all I know, they control more than that. But again, I know for sure, they got “Greentree’s” stake.

• According to the http://www.seiu.org/ website:

  “We are the Service Employees International Union, an organization of 2.2 million members united by the belief in the dignity and worth of workers and the services they provide and dedicated to improving the lives of workers and their families and creating a more just and humane society.”

  Does anyone have any experience with this group? Now that a MA judge has determined commercial cleaning franchisees are really misclassified employees, think this group can help Jan-Pro and other janitorial franchisees and workers?

• Guest: Questioned you on the other site, still no answer. Obviously, you misspeak on a consistent basis, might want to visit other sites where your propoganda has a better chance of playing out.

  SEIU like most “unions” are simply stated, “out for themselves”. Look no further than the “crap” you pulled here in Indianapolis and Cincinnati for the “real proof” of how well an SEIU backed program really works. After working “everyone” up into a lather and getting several companies to “agree” via “strong armed tactics” (traditional companies such as Bulldog, 4M, ABM, GSF and others) to agree to utilize only ‘union workers” to clean their downtown area buildings, the work force for SEIU has diminished quickly and quietly, why? Because the “hype” was easier than the “maintaining”, because the “press” was more important than the actual worker/member.

  SEIU is a disgusting organization that “preys” on people too stupid to know any better. Want to know a “truth” about SEIU in regards to commercial cleaning companies and how they “skew” their propoganda? ask David Bago the owner of EMS Group here in Indianapolis, better yet, read his book about his experience, his companies experience, his customers experience with the “goons” of the SEIU. SEIU and their “goons” did terrible things to a good company, good person and this persons family!

  SEIU is a joke, run by the biggest joker of all President Obama.

• 1st amendment, Jerry “v”, Iloveamerica or now guest:

  What’s the matter, afraid of the “truth” now you’ve gone union on us? Or is this your “law firm” that is being paid by the SEIU with union dues to attack the “franchise industry” in order to gain another “foot hold” in the commercial cleaning industry?

  Obviously, you, your attorney’s and others have an “agenda” that should be revealed sooner than later. Deception is a wonderful thing until you “slip up”.

  Didn’t figure these “attorneys” were “just good people” figured they had an “agenda” all along. Hopefully, the attorney’s for Jan-Pro, Jani-King and Coverall do visit this site and see that they are really up against SEIU “goons” and “thugs” utilizing lawyers, disgruntled franchisees to “break up” their companies and not simply facing “lawsuits”.

• “…a disgusting organization that “preys” on people too stupid to know any better.”

  I agree. Oh… you weren’t describing Jan-Pro?

  When your day of reckoning comes, and it will come, you won’t be able to say you didn’t have adequate time to clean up your act or enact even a modicum of self-policing. The excesses and abuses of companies like Jan-Pro, Jani-King & Coverall can be tolerated only so long.

  Jerry can drone on with his tedious rationalizations and numbered lists all he wants. At the end of the day, he and those like him will have brought this on themselves.

  Workers of the world, unite!

• Guest: What a waste of time. “day of reckoning” now you are starting to sound like “1st amendment”. Wait a second, I take that back, you’ve only “cut and pasted” a couple of times.

  SEIU is an organization full of goons that attack anyone who stands up against it. Aren’t you tired of “hiding in the shadows”, admit that you are paying the bills for “Jerry V”, “1st amendment” and other disgruntled owner/operators. Admit that you are mis-using union dues in order to “latch on” in this particular lawsuit.

  Why are you taking “over” the website, is it because “1st amendment” is outmanned and outgunned. Is it as he claims to be “to unintelligent” to read and understand an FDD, didn’t care to take the time to read/review, Policy and Procedures, asleep during his training classes so he could learn how to manage and work his business.

  Noticed that you didn’t defend nor deny SEIU’s actions nor status in Indianapolis or Cincinnati.

  What’s the matter, “can’t handle the truth!”

• People like Jerry work very hard to obfuscate, complicate, and distract from the facts, which are very simple.

  Companies like Jan-Pro, Coverall, Jani-King, Bonus Building care and all the me-too pirates sell area development/ master franchises to scammers who then do their dirty work by selling fake franchises. They prey on the hopes and dreams of recent immigrants, the under educated, the under employed by offering low-cost supposed franchise opportunities.

  If you buy one of these, you will not “own your own business” or “be your own boss” Some people refer to these franchises as “buying a job,” but in reality it’s much worse. With a job, you are at least given the protection of employment laws, including minimum wage, overtime, unemployment compensation and anti discrimination protections. With these “franchises” you basically pay money for indentured servitude.

  Read through this site and the articles linked to, see how many people report not receiving the promised jobs, having to accept underbid, unprofitable jobs, having jobs taken from them and given to other franchisees for no cause. If you do not have direct contact or relationships with your own customers, you do not own a business, period.

  Simply skip all the doubletalk, conspiracy theories, insults & innuendos of masters of misdirection and obfuscation like Jerry and see this scam for what it is. And stay away from janitorial franchises – either as a customer or franchisee. This is a beast that should be starved.

• Guest: Well after “beating you with facts” over on the “Jani-King” area, guess it’s time for a dose of reality here too.

  You obviously haven’t bothered or taken the time to read, so let me give you an overview.

  1. No one “forces” any one to do anything. Presentations are made, people are given verifiable documentation to take home with them after the presentations. That’s the FDD and UFOC. In that, it talks about directly what this business is about, how you will need to handle yourself, how you are to relate to the customer, how you are to relate to the “regional office”, what penalties there are if you don’t perform your duties as outlined, there are all of the “posted” current and former franchises are listed with their contact information.

  2.They have a minimum of ten (10) days of “quiet” before they are even contacted by the “presenter” usually the “master franchisor” and they are asked for their thoughts, comments, questions, issues etc..

  3. They still don’t have to come back, they don’t have a “gun” to their head, they don’t have Italian Mobsters coming to their house, they don’t keep one or more of their children for ransom etc…. They choose to do this business, want to do this business, want to learn this business, want to build this business etc…

  Your problem, 1st amendments problem, the attorneys that you are paying/representing both, are “FREEDOM OF CHOICE”. No jury will ever find fault at the end of the day, just like the “Coverall” jury didn’t award any damages, just like the jury won’t find “guilt” on behalf of Coverall, Jan-Pro nor Jani-King for anything maybe other than minor “breach of contract” and even that one will be “maybe”.

  Cut through all the “crap”. You have your opinion, 1st amendment has his opinion, I have my opinion and the tens of thousands of owner/operators making good on their “effort and dream” each and every night across this country have theirs!!!!!!!!!

  BETTER GET SOME AMMO, YOU’RE SHOOTING BLANKS!

• Guest: Still waiting for you to “argue” the facts and the wonderfulness (is that a word?) of SEIU. Unfortunately for you, not only do you not know the “business”, you don’t seem to know alot of facts about SEIU in regards to the commercial cleaning industry as a whole.

  Maybe you want to “pick” a fight with 1st amendment ( I know you can’t, you need 1st amendment and his merry bunch of “disgruntled franchisees) he’s not as smart, he’s easily confused, he’ll turn over ten’s of thousands of dollars for $25.00 per hour return on his investment.

  Still haven’t said why you don’t have a “name”. Is it because Liz or someone else in the law firm doesn’t want you to be exposed?

  Send 1st amendment back, at least he would “cut and paste” on a regular basis.

• The information is covered in the disclosure documents, however, I have met only ONE person that actually took the time to read it.

  People believe what they are told. Many have been told they will “own their own business” which is misrepresentation and a violation of the covenant of good faith and fair dealing that EVERY contract must adhear to.

  Change is coming to Illinois – I guarantee it.

• To prospective franchisees: Jerry provides great examples of the slithery rhetoric and techniques of the franchise sales pros who lure honest, hardworking people into a fantasy of being business owners when they are in fact, buying themselves heartache.

  These guys spend millions buying phony awards and top franchise “rankings” from soulless advertising magazines like Entrepreneur and buying leads from sucker factories like Franchise Gator. Once your name is in their system, their automated follow-up software system will barrage you with emails til you die or buy. They deploy an army of slick, relentless, commission-hungry franchise sales hounds who know all the right buttons to push to convert your hopes and fears into a commission checks or broker bonuses.

  How do they justify it to themselves (not that it takes much) when you get in and lose your savings, credit, etc.? Look at Jerry’s words: “No one forces anyone to do anything” “No one held a gun to their head.” Once you sign up, all the nice nice sales talk goes away and they’ll say: You shoulda done your homework. Or, it’s your fault we took your accounts away.

  Slithery franchise sales guys love to act like they are doing things out of the bottom of their heart when they’re actually required by law. See how Jerry says they grant “a minimum of ten (10) days of “quiet” before they are even contacted by the “presenter” usually the “master franchisor” and they are asked for their thoughts, comments, questions, issues etc.” Great guys who don’t go for the easy sale, right?

  The truth is, that’s required by law. The FTC 14-Day Rule requires that they distribute a complete franchise disclosure document with exhibits to all prospective franchisees on a date that is on a date that is not less than 14 days prior to the signing of any agreement or the acceptance of any money. When following the 14-day rule, there must be an intervening period that includes 14 days in which no activity occurs.

  As you can (and will continue to) see, Jerry and his ilk will have an answer to every objection, a quick defense for every criticism and a nasty eagerness to ferret out and discredit anyone who exposes their sleazy ways. After all, they’ve got boat payments due and they’re counting on your franchise fees to pay them.

• Former Jan-Pro Operations Manager:

  Though I find you an “honest broker” for the most part, can you honestly explain to me in realistic terms how it’s Jan-Pro’s fault or any other owner/operator systems fault that the “prospective franchisee” doesn’t bother even “reading’ the material given.

  I don’t know, I’m obviously not as wealthy as most of the people on this “site” but if I were to give anyone my “hard earned” money, I think I would bother reading the information given to me, if I didn’t understand, I would give it to someone who I trusted that did. It’s not like a “car dealership”, they don’t hide keys, park your “current car” in the back lot, etc… They’ve got at least ten (10) full days before even being contacted, they aren’t required to give a deposit, not required to give credit card numbers, they don’t leave their children with the “master owner” while the ten (10) days are going on, they don’t leave their spouse, they aren’t held against their will etc….

  What they’ve been “told” and it makes it a “misrepresentation”, really? If that’s the case, why bother putting everything into writing, why can’t it just be “said”. Covenant of good faith? There’s shared responsibility envolved, correct?

  Do you really think, that if any/all of these “disgruntled” owner/operators had put even 1/2 the amount of effort into reading, listening, doing, working, planning, asking questions, etc…. as they have put in “complaining”, “suing” , “threatening to sue” etc… that we would even be here?

  Jan-Pro vs. others, actually DEMANDS interaction between the owner/operator and their customer. That’s done in the Policy and Procedures which outlines literally day by day, month to month, quarter to quarter what they are to do in order to BUILD their bond with the customer/contract holder. Paperwork is required back from the owner/operator that the customer is to fill out, comment on, survey etc..

  Change is coming to Illinois- Haven’t we already had enough change that has come from Illinois in the form of “Blago”, “Obama”, “Hastert” and others. Maybe it’s time for Illinois to change!

• Guest: Why are you so “afraid” to reveal yourself, even a simply “name” like “Attorney” or “SEIU Steward” or “Fraud for Hire” is/would be appropriate for you.

  So you finally admit that again, what I’ve been saying all along is true. The companies in question, do things by the book. But there’s still “disgruntled” franchisee’s envolved here isn’t there? I’ve bothered giving answers, suggestions of reform, ask for the “executives in charge” to be replaced etc…

  What have you done? Misrepresented the Truth, Misrepresented the FDD, Misrepresented the commercial cleaning business as a whole, Misrepresented how “wonderful” the SEIU is, Misrepresented/Denied any issues with the “Janitors for Justice” campaign.

  Funny, 1st amendment goes AWOL and responds on other sites, You step into his place touting the benefits of the SEIU, what the attorneys representing “Vasquez” and others are making points about in court? Are you a “dishonest broker”?

• In responce To someone who calls himself jerry ?? Who says that he is from Indiana??. Who says that he is waching me and that he is going to come and get me.

  The reason I haven’t been on here responding every single day to every single post you post here is because I have a life. I wonder how much money $$$$$$ jan-pro is paying you to come in here and post everyday even on Hollidays, Sometimes you even post 3 or 4 times a day. Your pockets must be full of jan-pro money $$$$$$ Will you ever tell us how much jan-pro is paying you $$$$$$.

  I laugh at your Lies. You Lie and say that I’m going awol LOL. Is that the best you can come up with.

  One of the reason I haven’t been on here everysingleday 24 hours a day like the monkey from Indiana is because I have a life and I’m getting so many calls from people from all over the country who are so tired of getting ripped-off by jan-pro. The list is growing everyday.

  It looks like the monkey from Indiana is Desperate to do Damage Control. I can sence the desperation from you and your company jan-pro.
  It looks like I have to respond to many of his snot nose full of dung desperate comments.

• To someone who calls himself jerry ?? Who says that he lives in Indiana ??
  To someone who says that he is watching me and that he is going to come and get me!

  Did those intimidation tactics work for you when you did it to single Moms?

  I will start responding to all of this monkeys Lies. I wonder how much $$$$$$ Jan-pro is paying him $$$$$$ because he post here day after day and he is in here everyday 7 days a week. Someone only does that if jan-pro is paying them allot of money $$$$$$

  In reply to his following post
  Sunday June 27, 2010
  Monday June 28, 2010
  Tuesday June 29, 2010
  Wednesday June 30, 2010
  And again Wednesday June 30,2010
  Thursday July 1, 2010
  Friday July 2, 2010
  Sunday July 4, 2010
  Wednesday July 7, 2010
  And again Wednesday July 7, 2010
  And again Wednesday July 7,2010
  Thursday, July 8 2010
  And again Thursday, July 8 2010
  And many more

  Response to Sunday June 27, 2010

  Anyone looking at buying a fake jan-pro franchise this is the kind of crap you deal whit if you buy a fake franchise from jan-pro. They are Deceitful Liars so save your money.

  1. Your post are full of Lies. You said that I lost my badly underbid accounts? That is a lie, I never lost an account. Why do you LIE so much? I guess you cant break your lying habits. Did you learn that at jan-pro?

  2. Again the Fdd is very confusing. Jan-pros attorneys agreed that it’s very hard to understand. Even jan-pros attorneys said it’s very hard to understand. Why does jan-pro do this? Why do they have an Fdd that is so long with so many pages and so hard to understand that it is full of word tricks that are meant only for contract attorneys to understand? Is it so that they can rip-you off later on. There is an article on this scam on http://www.Franchisetimes.com

  3. Again they are Missrepresentfull and Deceitful. They promised me so many things. They said that my business would grow and that I would be able to hire employees and that I would make $25.00 Dollars an hour. They were all LIES! There accounts are so badly underbid that you make less than minimum wage.

  4. Everybody will tell you that the training jan-pro gives is all a bad joke. A 15 minute video tape and a pamphlet is not real training. Also your car example is a joke. There is a big difference in buying a car than to having people straight out Lie to you about there fake cleaning franchise and making so many promises.

  5. I do compare jan-pro to Bernie madof because jan-pro is doing the same thing that he did to so many people. Jan-pro lied to us and made so many promises. It was all Deceit and Fraud. If Bernie madof was able to rip-off the rich and powerful and there attorneys then jan-pro was easily able to rip-us off. In a ponsi scheme or scam anybody can be riped-off. It seems to me like you are trying to make it ok for Bernie madof and jan-pro to rip-off people. It’s probably because you are the same like them.

  6. You are hoping that we loose this case so that jan-pro can give you a Big Bonus. How much is jan-pro paying you $$$$$$ for you to say that???

  7. Again you post more LIES. Why do you LIE so much. You sound just like a little Monkey who is just coming up with anything at all and throwing it at the wall to see what sticks but nothing does and so you continue to Lie , Lie and Lie. Our attorneys are working on a contingency basis but you will Lie and say other things, why did you Lie and say something else? Tell us why you LIE so much? Do you go to the bathroom and just shit out LIES? I guees jan-pro thought you well on how to be a good Deceitful LIAR! Why are you and jan-pro so scared of more News stories coming out? Why are you and jan-pro so scared of me posting the articles that were printed on http://www.Franchisetimes.com “Taking off the Gloves” or the News Special on Television were jan-pro was exposed for ripping of all of those ladies on channel 52 Telemundo on a show called Al Rojo vivo with reporter Maria Celeste here is the link.

  http://msnlatino.telemundo.com/shows/Al_Rojo_Vivo/video_player?uuid=7d4cfdb4-97e0-4799-9b76-6a38d058e95f ?

  There is many more articles that I need to post. Will you get mad when I post those to?

• 1st amendment: I now fully understand why you “cut and paste” so much. Your ranting is funny. You and “guest” should start working together!!!(oops, you already do). I know it’s hard for you to “catch up” and yes, your life is busy, I’ve seen where you’ve been posting on at least two other sites, both of which several times in the past week!!!!!

  Now, you finally admit you are going to LOSE!!! Why would a group of fine attorney’s such as your law firm be planning “contingency” plans. Only time an attorney admits defeat is when his “client” starts running out of money. Obviously, the SEIU and others picking up your tab and the other “disgruntled” franchisee’s tab, have told your attorney’s that the “well” is running dry.

  So, tell me, when you lose. When your attorney’s lose face, when it’s revealed probably a year or so down the road that the SEIU and others were footing the bill for this “play” and because you didn’t take my advice and listen to me, what are you going to tell all those “mothers”, “vets”, “illegal immigrants” etc….that you did “your” best, that you took Jan-Pro to the mat, what are you going to tell them?

  As I’ve stated before, when you go “all in” like you have, sometimes you LOSE!! Unfortunately, you’ve wasted an opportunity, you’ve gotten no where, you’ve done nothing positive. You’ve huffed, puffed, spewed, made some friends, but where will those friends be, when you LOSE!!!

  As I’ve stated before, not that you believe me, want to believe, care to believe me etc….. I don’t work for Jan-Pro any more, I’ve never worked for Jani-King, Coverall etc… Been in this industry for over 25 years, know what I know, seen what I’ve seen, you want to blame everyone else for your failure, NO RESPONSIBILITY on your part for that failure, You don’t listen now, sure you didn’t listen then. At the end of the day, you’ve got to look at yourself in the mirror and ask the following: What did I accomplish? Could I have done better? Was there a better way of handling this mess? Who did I hurt? Where do I go from here?

  You’ll of course be asking those questions by yourself, in the middle fo the night, all alone, because the SEIU, your attorney’s, your “friends” and others that have filled your “mind” with dillusions of fame will all be gone attacking someone else, some other industry, some other company.

  In regards to your postings, cut and paste away. But I can tell you and your attorney’s are losing steam, the arguments that I’ve made are “hitting home” and now you’ve admitted to everyone that you’re about to lose. Also, I don’t get paid by anyone to post here, to check on your postings elsewhere, to “spy” on you, to attack your attorneys, to counter your “garbage”. I do this for free, I do this because it’s my right to do so, I do this because I LOVE THIS BUSINESS and I LOVE AMERICA!

  Let me know when you and your attorneys are throwing your “DEFEAT” drinking party, hope I’m invited.

• To someone who says that he is watching me and that he is going to come and get me!
  To someone who calls himself jerry ?? but wont tell us his real complete name.

  This is in response to the post he posted on Monday June 28, 2010

  1. You said that I’m taking to long to respond to your post. That’s because I have a life and it’s obvious that jan-pro is paying you allot of money $$$$$$ to post on here everyday and to stock this site 24 hours a day seven days a week. Even on Fathers day and 4th of July you find time to be here. I’m sure that you will also be here on New Years or Christmas. Does jan-pro pay you more money $$$ to post on holidays?

  2. When our trial starts we will have so much overwhelming evidence that you will be shocked at all the evidence. I also hope that the Attorney General gets involved because crimes have been committed and I wouldn’t be surprised if they come after jan-pro for violations of the Rico and Racketeering acts.

  3. You said that you can reform jan-pro and make some magical changes. Who are you ? You say that you are not with jan-pro then you protect them like if you owned the company but you attack Richard kissane. Then you said that Jan-pro was going to FIRE you but before they FIRED you, you ran and now you say that you are outlining something to reform jan-pro. Who are you and what the hell are you talking about? What is your full complete NAME???

  4. Like I said before the Fdd is a scam. Jan-pros attorneys agreed with me when I said that it was hard to understand. Even they have a hard time understanding it. Ask yourself what if they had tricked your MOM into being a SLAVE? Would that be legal? Of course not. I bet that if jan-pro had ripped-off your Mom you would be mad to wouldn’t you. Ask yourself jerry from Indiana what if they had ripped-off your Mom?

  5. You accuse me of not running my business right. Again you try and be Deceptive and tell LIES. What jan-pro did was underbid the accounts so low that it was lower than the minimum wage of a third world countries minimum wage. If you don’t accept the accounts you are offered because they are so badly underbid you are screwed and your money LOST for Ever! This is a RACKET!

  6. You say that I lost my accounts. Again you LIE. I never lost any accounts. Why do you LIE so much. People don’t loose accounts they have them stolen.

  7. Again this was a Ponzi Scheme. We got scammed. Even a Judge described it as a modified Ponsi Scheme. It’s not just me who got ribbed it’s Thousands of people from all around the country who got scammed in this Ponsi Scheme. I have received calls from people in 26 Different states and 3 different parts of Canada!

  8. Here is another LIE you say about me. You said that I was someone who also sued coverall 10 years ago. Again you are a LIAR. Why do you LIE so much. You are a Deceptive LIAR. Did you learn to LIE at Jan-pro? I have never sued coverall or been part of them. I have never sued anybody. Jan-pro is the first company to SCAM me out of my money. Do you like being Deceptive and being a LIAR?

  9. You said that if you have slandered us that we should sue you. Is that what you really want? It’s something to think about. Why don’t you e-mail me your real name and adress and I will think about it. Of course you probably wont.

  10. You continue to attack our attorneys and our case so much. Jan-pro must be paying you allot of money $$$$$$ How much is jan-pro paying you $$$ ? Why do you get so Angry and so Mad when I tell you about all the single Moms, Veterans and families that jan-pro has ripped-off ? I know why. It’s because it’s the truth and you can’t handle the truth!