JAN-PRO Franchise Complaints

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• To jerry the master franchisor in Indiana

  Here we go again with your Deceptive jan-pro shameful comparisons.

  Your coughing up more swine.

  Now your trying to say that someone who lost all of there money in jan-crap, who got thousands of Headaches from jan-crap, and who lost everything because of jan-crap would have been better of than investing in Microsoft or the stock market.

  More Deception and more LIES. Jan-crap thought you very well in there Deceptive classes.

  If I had invested my money in the stock market I would still have my shares plus the dividends. Plus I would have saved my self Thousands of Headaches from jan-crap. All the Lies, Deception, and Fraud. I could of had another job were I would have atleast made more than minimum wage not like at jan-crap were I was making less than Minimum wage.

  I know a lot of people who have invested $10,000, $20,000 , $25,000 and more and Now they have Nothing. All this in less than a year. In the stock market you could have saved yourself all the time and all the headaches from jan-pro plus jan-pros Threats and Lies.

  I also know people who have invested Thousands of Dollars and after 2 years they only have one jan-pro account left. What is there paycheck like? There paycheck is $30.00 Dollars a Month.

  Now there life savings are gone. If they would have invested it in the Market lets say Microsoft or Apple they would still have all of there shares plus dividends.

  They tell you that they Guarantee the accounts for a year but that is another LIE. They can and will steal them from you by making up bogus excuses that you are not cleaning right and tell you to turn in the account or face a fine of $500.00 Dollars a day. Once the people turn in there accounts and they go back and talk to the customer, the customer is Mad that there cleaner was removed! Why because the customer was very happy with the cleaners work.

  If you look at the Climaco Guzman V. jan-pro case you will see that jan-pro LIES. They never gave him any accounts so Climaco Guzman had to take legal action. The Judge found jan-pro Guilty!

  The Judge said that jan-pros promises were FALSE and MISSLEADING! The Judge also said that jan-pro had BREACHED the contract and committed FRAUD !

• 1st amendment: Well here you go again, noticed how you are speaking for Felix vs. Felix speaking for himself. I know, you know so many people, you talk with them all day, all night and you’re still trying to understand why you need a “brokers license”.

  Now in all seriousness, I think that your continued “third party” musings are getting so old, that it’s time for you to reveal all of there names so ICE, I mean I can contact them personally so we can show them some Southern Hospitality as they continue their journey back to their homeland.

  Now, here, let’s spend a few moments and compare facts to facts.

  Fact #1- you should realize that if you purchased stock in IBM, Apple or name a company of your choice (doubt that you invest in the stock market any way) but you pick one, find out what its purchase price was 4 years ago. For you that means 2006. Now look at what today’s price is for that stock. I’ll bet a dime to a dollar that in almost ALL cases, you have a loss. Now, let’s take another moment for you to understand that not all stocks pay dividends. Also, even if you buy stock “online” you will still have to pay a fee in order to purchase that stock.

  Fact #2- If Jan-Pro treated EVERYONE as you describe, how would they stay in business? I mean in all honesty, let’s think about this for a moment. The economy is tough, jobs are hard to come by, everyone is tightening their belts, most people are doing without something. Now if what you state as fact, was evenly remotely true, how does Jan-Pro have over 10,000 owner/operators working throughout the United States every night? Isn’t that impossible if they didn’t have any customers, because lets all admit, regardless if you are talking about “traditional companies”, “mom and pops” , owner/operator companies etc… Don’t we ALL get paid by the customer, the one we are to service every night/clean, sends in their checks every month etc…

  Fact #3- Jan-Pro’s, Coverall”s, Jani-King’s guarantees to its owner/operators are simply stated, if you take care of the customer and do things the “right way” we will make sure you have that customer for at least one year. Even Felix, who still hasn’t responded (but you have, do you even know Felix) has stated, “he’s been an owner/operator with Jan-Pro for 4 Years”. Now in the title of “honest broker” that I own outright and without dispute from even “guest”, he said more than that and he didn’t like his “return on his investment”. Though I proved extremely well.

  The case that you are quoting, please correct me if I’m wrong, without calling me names, (I have grown sensitive to the fact that you are making FAT jokes) that particular case is at least 15 years old.

  At some point and time, you need to forgive right? HOLLER if you have a “brokers license”!!!!!

• Guest: You little sly dog you, you almost made it sound that you liked Pete, when if you bothered to review everything that I’ve said for the last month plus is almost the same thing. Your biggest problem is, you don’t bother to put 2 and 2 together and come up with 4 on a regular basis.

  Now, I would have no problem with everyone working for “traditional companies” at minimum wage. Because by the time they got their paycheck once or twice they’d be coming to Jan-Pro, Coverall, Jani-king etc.. Why do I make that statement, well, I knew you would ask that question because, you don’t have any idea of what you are talking about:

  Employee making “minimum wage”, I think it’s still $7.25 per hour right, well lets give everyone an even $8.00 per hour. Now after taxes, Lets all be fair and state that they will be getting somewhere around $6.00 per hour for their work. Now that doesn’t include gas, some companies make them pay for their uniforms, even more still make them pay for ID Badges and Background checks. But those are minor issues, let me talk about the 6.00 per hour.

  So they work 4 hours per night at one location, they’ve made 24.00 net pay, they work 5 days per week, so they take home 120.00 per week net.

  Now, here’s where it gets interesting for “guest” . I bid that same job, the same way as the traditional company did. Of course, I bid using the $15.00 per hour described previously by me on numerous posts. using the same number of hours as “traditional company” and backing out the 20% (roughly) that Jan-Pro takes, owner/operator is roughly at 12.00 per hour. Now multiply it out, it becomes 48.00 per day, 240.00 per week.

  Now, I’m going to give you another secret, most traditonal companies don’t have timeclocks at every site, some don’t even have computer based time/in or out methods. So in most companies they are paying for 4 hours work and aren’t getting 3.

  Here’s another secret, a well trained, well equipped, well motivated owner/operator doesn’t spend 4 hours there either.

  So at the end of the day, they are “grossing” more money. Now you’re going to talk about taxes for the owner/operator and your going to go “see I told you so, it’s nothing but a low paying job opportunity”.. ok. here’s a little secret for you, in most cases, because that owner/operator runs their business out of their home, they get to deduct a portion of their rent/mortgage, part of their phone bill, part of their electric bill, capital expenses, car payments/leases, OH and the list goes on and on.

  Here’s another little secret, the vast majority well over 90% of Jan-Pro’s owner/operators have been in the system for more than 1 year, better than 80% for two years or more.

  Want to know another little secret, Most of the 80% have recommended their family members and friends to purchase a franchise from Jan-Pro.

  Now, HOLLER if you Love this country!!!! Despite your statements about Southern People and the fact that I do “butcher” the language from time to time, I noticed your getting closer to the LIGHT!!!!!!

• I’m pretty sure in 1999 apple was at 2.90 a share. If you invested 10,000 then and held it until today where its at around 250 you’d have almost a million. However, you never heard of apple in 99 and today its ubiquitous. BUT if you aren’t smart enough to figure out how to run a basic company on your own I don’t suggest you own a piece (stock) of a very complicated company in the market. Let’s all hug and be friends.

• Joe A: Yeah, it’s all a “crap shoot” no matter what you end up doing. I guess in a way, that’s kind of been my point all along. I’ve never said the system is perfect, I’ve shared with everyone the “reforms” that I would LOVE to see happen. I am a true fan of the concept under the right circumstances, with the proper amount of training, direction, oversite and proper explanation and “due dilligence” upfront.

  I would love to see Rich Kissane replaced, he wasn’t good at his job at OneSource, I don’t personally believe he is a “criminal though”. Only one that I know isn’t is Me. At the end of the day, that’s all I hope any of us can say.

  Now there’s always going to be some issues with the owner/operator system, even with “my” proposed reforms, but there are real issues that envolve “traditonal companies” as well.

  I don’t “hate” 1st amendment, never did. I don’t “hate” “guest” though it is a bit irritating calling him “guest”. I actually feel bad for any owner/operator that even “feels” that he/she have been “screwed”. But at the end of the day, you have to agree to take things on a case by case basis, if there are major “systemic” problems in the system, then maybe the best thing to do is “reform the system”. Not destroy it. If you do that, then what happens to the thirty thousand plus owner/operators that paid just as much or more than 1st amendment did, what happens to their investment, what happens to their customer etc…..

  Now “guest” , don’t think I’ve gotten all WARM and FUZZY about everything you’ve said!!!!

• Now here’s a general “thought” that would actually appreciate anyone’s view on other than 1st amendment.

  Can anyone without getting “legal” on me, explain the difference in realtionship between the following and what Jan-Pro’s relationship is with the owner/operator?

  1. Trucking company with their owner/operator
  2. Insurance company with their independent agent
  3. Hospital with their independent contractor (usually a nurse)

  Now we all know about trucking companies from national companies like Crete Carrier to smaller operations like Dot Foods all use the owner/operator model.

  Aren’t both of them in the “transportation/trucking business”. Don’t they all sign “exclusive rights” contracts, don’t they all have “non-compete clauses”, don’t they all “work” under negotiated contracts between the transportation/trucking company and the “customer”. There are penalties and rewards for being late/on time/early. There are “guarantees” of satisfaction, there are standards to be met.

  How about Insurance companies such as Progressive Insurance, they all are “indpendent agents” yet they aren’t allowed to represent other insurance companies or sell other types of insurance other than the one’s offered by Progressive.

  How about Hospitals. They have “independent contractors” with individual nurses being the primary “type” of worker under this contract. They work for “set payments”, “set length of times” , can only work for a hospital owned/co-owned by the “parent hospital”.

  Other than Judge Young, don’t see much difference between what I’ve described above and Jan-Pro’s relationship with its owner/operators. Food for thought, too many people try to compare Jan-Pro’s relationship with it’s owner/operators with McDonald’s relationship to its franchisees. Though there are aspects that are similar, I think what is described above are closer. Does that mean in MA all of the above listed “professions” must now be listed as “employee only”?

• Don’t hospitals pay nurses by the hour? And don’t truckers get paid by the mile? Where as a franchisee gets paid by the subjective bid of a sales person. Where if jan pro bids a job at 4 hours and it takes you 6 you don’t get paid for the additional 2 hours. You wouldn’t if u botched a traditional companies bid either. I dunno about the trucker but I’m pretty sure a contracted nurse def gets an hourly wage and overtime.

• It looks like more Fake cleaning franchisors keep ripping of people.

  They don’t just do it here in the United States they also rip-off people in Canada.

  I have also received calls from people in Canada that were ripped-off by jan-pro.

  Don’t be surprised if you start to see class actions in Canada.

  Please see the following link. This gentleman talks about how a cleaning franchisor ripped his family off.

  http://www.thestar.com/videozone/238248–countrywide-victim-arteaga

• To jerry a master franchisor with jan-pro

  You are trully one sick person

  You look at people and if you don’t like the way they look you call them illegal aliens. The ladies who came out on those video are not illegal aliens they are American citizens and some of them have kids in the Millitary. For you to call people illegal aliens just because they look diferent than you is wrong.

  How can you defend what you Posted on July 10th 2010 at 1:52 pm
  The following is what jerry from indiana posted on July 10th 2010 at 1:52 pl in the janiking section of complaints

  “““ You shuold be awake by now. Even in California it’s at least “taco time” isn’t it?

  As my “master” took his yaht out today, I was forced to go into the basement and feed/water all of the illegal aliens we are “training” to become the next batch of owner/operators

  Now to show that I’m not as mean the “master”, one of our illegal aliens gave birth last night despite our best efforts to have her wait at least ten (10) days, she gave birth to a beautiful baby girl. To show that I’m not without feeling, I immediately explained to the illegal alien, that “wet foot, dry foot” didn’t apply to her as she was coming into the world. I then took the mother, sold her a starter kit at 5X the cost of the products and equipment given to her, forced her to take a tremedously underbid account, called the customer and told them I was putting an illegal alien into their facility,

  What you ask about the baby? Well the “master” and I have decided to “sell” the baby to the highest bidder and pocket the money. We wil make a large donation/gift in the baby’s name to the owners of Franchise Times, Frannet, Vetnet and any other “net” willing to name us in the top “5″ of their franchise list. ”””

• Lol. I’m in the Jan Pro Rip Off camp but that’s hilarious. I literally laughed out loud as I read that.

• What jerry said isn’t funny. Things like what he said are only hurtful. Is jerry and his company so desperate that they now have to resort to using derogatory and racist remarks.

  I don’t think it’s funny to label people a certain way because of the way they look or the color of there skin. Is jan-pro and jerry so mad that they were exposed on Television by these ladies and so mad that he had to resort to attacking these single Moms by using derogatory and racist remarks. These are hard working American ladies of latin decent and not only do they get ripped-off by jan-pro but they also have to endure these harmful and derogatory remarks. Some of these ladies have kids in the military. How do you think that these young soldiers and marines will feel when jan-pro rips-off there Moms and then a jan-pro representative uses derogatory and racist remarks towards them.

• 1st amendment: REALLY? I mean come on, everyone but you understood that it was a PARODY!!! I know, you’re still trying to figure out why you need a “brokers license” but even you should be able to understand what a PARODY is/means. If not, take the time to look it up in the dictionary.

  You don’t know those ladies personally do you? If you did you would know that not ALL of them are U.S. Citizens. You act like that Jan-Pro “master” for that area had a “shot gun” and was personally threatening them if they went on TV. That’s too much drama even for “guest” to believe. Come on, you and I both know that the primary reason that they “hid” their faces was directly due to their legal status here in this country.

  I know, all of them, every illigal alien in this country has sons and daughters in the military according to 1st amendment the man who see’s all, knows all, knows everyone he’s ever talk too personally because he gets a copy of their Social Security, Drivers License, ITIN numbers etc….

  I mean really, do you think EVERYONE on this site is as nieve about the illegal alien situation in this country as “guest” and “you” are? No, I know plenty of people that don’t have the same skin color as me, I know that there are many people from Latin decent are here legally, remember, I used to do business in Miami and Orlando on a regular basis.

  1st amendment, would it surprise you if I told you I was BLACK!!!!!!!! So let’s drop the race thing once and for all.

  I’ve told you in the past, tired of telling you, obviosly you are thick headed vs. thin skinned (though I think you’re that too) I haven’t worked with Jan-Pro for over one year now.

• Joe A: Yes in some cases. But in many cases and it’s becoming more popular is the fact that they have these “nurses at will”. My Aunt is actually one, she is paid “x” amount of money whether she works or not. But if she does work, she may work in Hospital A today, B next day etc.. When her Hospital Group bought into another Hospital in Arizona, she was there for nearly 6 month’s, they even had an apartment/condo there for her to stay in.

  She has no taxes taken out, she must file quarterly, had to go get a “license” and she took my advice and formed an LLC.

  In regards to trucking, they do usually get paid by the mile, but they actually get paid by the “load”, depending on what they are “hauling” determines what the “load” price is. They have penalties and rewards for delivery of that “load”. Taxes are not taken out except for the “transportation taxes”. Contracts are written between the “customer” and the “trucking company”, then those “loads” are “called and offered” to the owner/operators on the directory.

  Just thought it would be a different topic to discuss other than the “blasting’ of things back and forth between me, 1st amendment and “guest”

• Hey Vazquez, I’m black. I decided if you spent less time being ‘victimized’ and more time trying to get your ‘dream’ that you were denied you’d get farther. I’m sure you were ripped off by Jan-Pro, I was..however, rather then let someone victimize me I went out and made stuff happend. I can careless if Jeryy makes all theblack jokes he wants. Guess what? At the end of the day I still have what I have! The stuff he says is comical. You are just a whiny, ‘victimized’, little baby. Man up and go get your own dream, don’t rely on some attorneys to do it for you. Remember settlement money only comes once. I know Jan-Pro rips people off so please spare me the ‘I get calls from all over..even Canada!’ Outcry.

• …Oh yea..and I was in the National Guard and served a year in Iraq. Sorry I wasn’t a ‘bad ass’ Marine. What did you do for your country ‘I Love America’ besides play paralegal and be a broker for Scott? How many people did you refer to him,? How much money in referal fees did you get? None I bet because you are gtting used. You do know when attorneys, drs, etc refer people for lawsuits they make money right? The only one who is goimg to get anyrthing substantial if this lawsuit is successful is the lawyers. Its won’t be though, flat out we are unhappy, but many more are happy. You think a judge is going to say you 20 are mad, you 80 are happy but screw you 80… The 20 win? On a case by case merit there is a chance. Not as a class action representing all franchises when most are happy (ignorance is bliss for these people). So do yourself a favor and start collecting referal fees. And do me a favor and show me how much you love America and go to your local recruiting office and enlist. I assure you people like myself and other veterans don’t need someone like you fighting for our rights. Most of us are real warriors…not cry babies. So I’m waiting for you to prove your ‘love’ and enlist.

• Joe A: Thank you for your service. You are a True Warrior and If our paths ever meet face to face, I would be honored if you would allow me to have a meal with you and purchase our dinner/lunch/breakfast.

  As stated before Reasonable Men/People can disagree and still be respectful and have dignity about it. You are a reasonable man and “honest broker” in my book.

  Thank you for your continued input and again, Your VALUED SERVICE!!! If I weren’t so Large and OLD!! I would sign up in a Heart Beat.

  HOLLER if you LOVE this COUNTRY and all the GOOD it does all over the World!!!!!!!!

• It’s so sweet that Jerry is trying to find a friend. Isn’t he adorable when he’s sucking up?

  Don’t get jealous, Joe A., but he’s been secretly courting Pete, too.

  Jerry wrote to Pete: “I appreciated your comments very much and as stated before, I agree with better than 90% of what you’re saying.”

  Hmmm.. he agrees with 90% of:

  “I had to comment on Jerry’s rantings. He’s funny. He reminds me of BP- trying to defend themselves against all the people they have f***ed” – Pete

  “Jerry must work directly for Jan-Pro. Far too passionate about not facing the facts.” – Pete

  “Jerry – due to the amount of time and effort you put into this blog I have decided you are a complete tool. Get a life. It looks as if about 7 people read your musings.” – Pete

  “Jerry – Again you’re a complete tool. Get a life weirdo.” – Pete

  “I’m sorry you’re not a tool. You are, however, a self-indulged, passive-aggressive, narcissist.”

  It’s so nice to see Jerry happy, thinking he’s got pals!
  Please don’t anyone tell him what “narcissist” means because he thinks it’s a compliment.

• In order to keep this forum on-topic and not diluted with comments related to Jerry’s quest for a friend & companion, I would like the ADMIN to consider adding a “Personals” classified section for Unhappy Franchisee.

  I have taken the liberty of writing a rough draft for Jerry’s “Personals” listing:

  “Nascar lovin, White Gravy eatin, sheep buggering, chicken fried steak eatin, plastic flag wavin, cross burnin’ , English language-butcherin Southerner (Indiana’s southern right?) seeks deaf/mute companion to watch him post blog comments and rant about this GREAT country. Enjoys long walks on the U.S./Mexico border, compiling lists of suspected illegals, strike breaking, making “humerous” spelling errors & repeatedly recounting every single detail of 25 swashbuckling years in the midwest janitorial biz. Turnoffs: Logic, big words, medium-size words, talking when he’s talking (which is always), all ethnic groups. Turn-ons: Listening, nodding, agreeing with him, Nodding & agreeing with him even in one’s sleep, “dillusional” thinking and and playing sex role play games while dressed up like Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill O’Reilly, Glenn Beck, George W. Bush and/or Adolph Hitler.”

  I would also like to suggest that in the unlikely chance that Jerry develops followers here that do not consider him a “tool,” that we affectionately call them “Jerry’s Kids”

• Guest: You had me at “dillusional”. Now the only thing that I disagree with you on is the comparison of G.W. Bush and HItler. You and I both know that’s a little over the top. Besides I’m surprised you are attaching a Democrat such as Bush with Hitler in the first place. I thought you liked your Progressives better than that.

• To jerry a franchisor with jan-pro

  I don’t think it was a funny parody at all. You are so sick and desperate that you decided to start calling anybody that looks a certain way racist and derogatory remarks.

  This country has endured a lot of racism but I guess that you and jan-pro don’t care.

  They are American citizens. However you look at people and if they are not a certain way you point fingers at them and you label them. You know that is very wrong. I don’t think that anybody likes to have anybody else point fingers at them because of the way they look.

  If someone was making fun of your kids because of the color of there skin or there race and it hurt your kids what would you say then? Were does it end? It starts out with jokes, then parody’s and next thing you know it escalates and then you start to take peoples rights.

  People have to cover there faces because jan-pro does threaten people. I have seen this in person. You will see it when we go to trial.

  Again they are American citizens. All you did was use racist and derogatory remarks towards the way people look and you know that, that is wrong. They hid there faces because jan-pro threatens people. Why does jan-pro threaten people, to stop them from taking legal action.

  So what is it that you want to do now. You want to make it so that anybody that is here and looks a certain way is ok for jan-pro to rip-them-off. You ran out of things to say and as you were loosing and continue to loose this discussion so you had to turn to derogatory and racist remarks.

  You want to make it so that every person who doesn’t look a certain way is an illegal, you want to make it so that its ok to steal and rip them off. That is morally wrong. You can explain it to your maker someday.

  I don’t know what race you are and I don’t care. I see everybody the same. I have friends of all cultures, nationalities, and races. Now you want to drop the race thing. Then why did you bring it up? You are the one who brought out your true feelings.

• 1st amedment: You never rest do you? It’s all about you 24 hours per day/7 days per week. I’m sorry you didn’t like the Parody, others did, you didn’t. You know what, I’m fine that you didn’t. That is your right to not like it. Just as it is my right to say it, print it and laugh about it with others or by myself.

  So you didn’t take up any of my “bets”. Obviously, you don’t feel too confident that all of the one’s interviewed, pictured etc… were legal U.S./Resident Aliens.

  Now you want everyone to believe that Jan-Pro has “hit squads” out there stalking the “disgruntled owner/operators” and “guest” calls me a “tool”.

  Bottom line, I hope you lose, I’ve told you my reasons and justifcation for my hopes. Whether you do or not is up to how good your case is and how good your attorneys are. Don’t think I would have as much confdence in Liz as you do, I’m sure the people in “aiwah” sure don’t.

  You obviously don’t read anything I post any way this is more for those that do. HOLLER EVERY DAY for our Veterans, their families, the FOUNDERS of this GREAT COUNTRY and to GOD who gave all of us our RIGHTS!!!!!!!!!!

• I’d like to give a shout out to everyone on this site for amusing me. The posts go right to my blackberry. Since I got ripped off by Jan Pro I went out and started a company on my own. I don’t get much time to socialize and have good laughs. This makes me laugh. If people would stop whining about Jan Pro.. Take the inside knowledge they learned about how a national company is run..and put their time and effort towards cold calls, appointments, and work they can do what I’m doing today. I’m sitting in a chair in a surgery center, reading the wall street journal, drinking coffee, reading these posts, and supervising my guys strip a floor and make a profit of around 3200 on the job… That doesn’t count all the accounts that will be cleaned tonight!! I know that’s not millions and millions..but its a start towards that. So instead of whining let’s make moves! If you don’t know what your doing join this forum..instead of whining they discuss running cleaning comapnies…

• Guest: Just a quick follow up to your “rantings” earlier on, I thought it was “sheep chasing” in an earlier rant of yours.

  Secretly, Joe and Pete think it’s a little wierd too that you were so orignal to call yourself “guest”. I explained to them that I thought you were an attorney working on 1st amendments case, you know the one “I’m the lead plantiff in a national class action suit against Jan-Pro” one. Yet he has become increasingly familiar with the goings on of the Jani-King case in MN, TX and CA. He also knows so much more than I do about ANAGO and OCTOCLEAN. Of course he learned that from his almost one year in the business!!!

  Here’s a SECRET for you, he knows as much about the commercial cleaning business as you do!!

  HOLLER if you want “guest” to reveal his real name!!!!!!!!

• To joe

  I was very disappointed in your comment. In the past I have been a victim of racism and insults because of the way I look. Not only once but a few times in my life and it is very hurtful. You would think that in this age people would stop using remarks like the one jerry said.

  You said that I should spend less time being a victim. Well I was ripped-off by jan-pro and to this day they continue to do it to people all around the country. This has to stop. Running from them and not doing anything to stop them would also make us part of the problem. If you see an injustice and you take no action they will continue hurting mankind. If jan-pro isn’t stopped they will continue and continue to hurt Thousands of people and I don’t think that, that is something anybody wants.

  You also said that you were ripped-off by jan-pro and that people should just let it go. That is just like saying that if someone breaks into your house and they rob you and you get them on video tape and you know who they are would you just let them get away with it? No you wouldn’t . If you did let them get away with it they would just continue robbing more people. That is what jan-pro wants they want you to get tired of them and walk away. They love that.

  You called me a whiny little baby. joe maybe you need to listen to all the people from around the country that have called me and tell you there stories. I think that you would change your mind. Joe I was ripped-off Thousands of dollars just like so many thousands of people from around the country. We are getting attacked every single day on this blog by jan-pro. They are throwing everything they can to do Damage control. Every time I get attacked I will defend myself. I’m sure that if you got attacked that you to would defend yourself and that would not make you a whiny baby.

  So let me ask you this joe if you see someone committing a crime against your neighbors, your town, your family or any ordinary human being what would you do?

• I’m black, and I grew up in a rural area. I don’t even want to hear about racism. I’m not saying to let it go but even if this lawsuit is somehow won the attorneys are getting rich not the victims. So go after what your doing but rather than spending such a significant amount of time ranting all over boards go out and make something happen. You want to really help people make tons of money. If I thought there was a chance of getting my investment back I’d be in your lawsuit but the fact is there are to many happy people. So instead I started a company, made some money, and my company cleans 3 ronald mcdonald houses for free each quarter and we give a yearly scholarship to a local community college. Its just life.. Jan pro has pretty much infinite resources and 1000’s of happy people. Nobody is changing the law and concept for us as jerry would say ‘disgruntled’. That’s not the way it works…its just life. You want change.. Start a company, work, accumulate capital, good credit, knowledge, take your time and start your own franchise and run it how you want. All a franchise is is a concept, a logo, and a contract. Guess what..all these franchises..janiking coverall jan pro started with 1 franchisess and grew.

• 1st amendment: Now Jan-Pro is “hurting man kind” Oh boy. Now you are comparing Jan-Pro to what? Global Warming, Nuclear Arms, Progressives, Guest, Attorneys (all of them, yours and Jan-Pros), The Leaders of Iran, the United Nations, Rachel Maddow, Chris Matthews, who else?

  I mean come on, we’ve gone to hurting tens, to hundreds to now thousands of people! REALLY and “guest” says he bought me a voucher for me to ride the “short bus”!!!!!!!!

  OK, your attorneys really need to take you off this site, set you down, have you begin breathing treatments, inform you that you are no longer the “Lead plantiff in the National Class Action Lawsuit against Jan-Pro”.

  For the love of GOD, “guest’ say something!!!!!!!

• Joe A: You are 100% correct, both in the “moving on” part and the fact that at some point and time we can only become a Victim if we allow it to “consume us” make us “bitter” take our “passion” our “heart” our “desire” away.

  Good for you, chairty always breeds prosperity. You’re making more money today than I am that’s for sure.

• Joe A: I really wish you hadn’t disclosed your race. Now Jerry’s gonna be bragging to his Kiwanis Club buddies that he has a “black friend” (After assuring them that you’re one of the “good ones” not a product of that socialiss affirmative action, that you’re neither blood nor crip, nor an illegal alien without a valid birth certificate like that Barack HUSSEIN Obama!)

  I agree with your advice to 1st Amendment that he shouldn’t let this consume him and take him down further. Look, 1st (may I call you 1st?) there are evil a-holes in this world who will lie, rob & steal and not not lose a wink of sleep over it. And there are clueless braindead teaparty moronic lemmings who will defend and cover for them. You know the kind… the ones who think their flag pins make them patriots.

  But I think that 1st Amendment IS doing mankind a service. Most people who get screwed in franchising just slink off like the sheep Jerry is so fond of. They never take the time to stop and warn the next poor b*stards who are gonna lose their savings or their kids’ college funds.

  Of course 1st Amendment will be lucky to even get part of his costs covered even if he wins, but you know what? He looked evil in the face and he didn’t back down. He took a stand. He said enough’s enough. You’re a crimefighter, 1st Amendment. Just keep it light, brother, so you don’t burn out or make your family miserable.

  That, dear Jerry, is what a real American Patriot does.

  Somebody’s got to offset the millions these franchisors spend on their BS franchise awards and rankings. 1st Amendment is making a difference just countering this kind of tripe:

  http://www.entrepreneur.com/franchises/franchisezone/oneonone/article40504.html

• To joe and your second post

  It’s great that you served your country. I have allot of family who are active and continue to serve there country in the Army and the Marines. I just hope that people don’t label them illegal aliens just because of the way they look.

  No I don’t play any kind of paralegal. I just don’t like the way jan-pro has ripped-off so many people. All I have done is supplied information to people who wanted to know what they could do after jan-pro had ripped-them off and there life savings. Remember after all it’s still a free country and people are allowed to meet and talk.

  My number one priority is to stop jan-pro from ripping off anymore people. Would you rather let jan-pro continue ripping off more people. After all you said that they ripped-you off. Would you rather let jan-pro continue to rip-off more veterans like yourself?

  Infact in our lawsuit we want jan-pro to stop there BAD business practices. It’s on page 14 number 5.

  Then you say that I’m getting used? You have got to be kidding me. I’m trying to stop this bad fake franchisor from ripping off anymore people. At this moment as we speak there is another veteran, another family getting ripped-off. Don’t you think that something has to be done before they keep doing the same thing to more people? Jan-pro wanted you to walk away and for you to just take it. Now you say that you started your own company and that is great but still would you let a thief break into your house and rob you and get away with it?

  Like I said before our number one priority is to stop hurting anymore veterans and families and single Moms. Also you try and say that only a few people are mad at jan-pro. You are very wrong. Every time someone calls me they always tell me that they know allot of people who are getting ripped-off and very mad. Most people only last 2 years with jan-pro and then they are gone and that is a FACT! I still haven’t met one single person that was happy with jan-pro. You have seen all the blogs and post on the internet. You have seen all the people complaining from all around the country and Canada and England. There is people out there that have only one account and they make less than $40.00 dollars a month. Joe you know very well that your numbers are very wrong. Besides people who are ripped-off no mater if its one person or 10,000 Thousand they all have a right to take legal action if they are ripped-off.

  Again most are UNHAPPY. Most are getting ripped-off. People call me all the time and they tell me that they know 20 to 30 people that are getting ripped-off. I have received calls from people in 25 different states and Canada. Many other people are also starting there own class actions. Infact there is a new one getting started against coverall in California. We are doing this as a class action because Thousands of people have been ripped-off all across the country. Jan-pro Corporate sets the rules they are the ones who started jan-pro that is why we are going after them. They are the ones who started all of this. Would you mind me asking you what happened to you? Is it ok if I ask you how jan-pro riped-you off and how come you were not happy?

  Hey joe you said that you don’t need me fitting for your rights. I’m good with that but common how could you let jan-pro rip-you off and you let them get away with it. I’m sure that you can still go to your local court house and take legal action. Why do you get mad when I state Facts. Jan-pro has ripped-off veterans and I’m just stating a true fact and even you stated that you were ripped-off and you are a veteran and you know that ripping-off anybody whether you are a veteran or not is simply just wrong and it needs to stop.

• To Joe and your third post,

  It’s great that you went out and started your own company. However once again when you said that you don’t like to see people whining when they get robbed that is also like admitting that you got robbed and it’s ok. Jan-pro wants you to buy a fake franchise from them and once they rip-you-off they want you to just walk away like nothing. They want you to walk away so that you loose your investment. Should the people that got ripped-off by Bernie Madoff just walked away after they were ripped-off Billions of Dollars? Of course not. Will jan-pro continue to be Deceitful and continue to commit Fraud, yes they will and if what you call whining will save someone from getting ripped-off and save someone from all of these headaches then I will continue to post.

  You also said that people should take the inside knowledge that they learned on how to do cold calls, appointments, etc. joe you know that jan-pro doesn’t teach you anything at all. Basically all they do is call you and say go clean just like an employee and that’s all. Jan-pro never ever teaches you anything and they don’t want you to learn anything. They just want to take your money and make you clean and that’s all.

  Again I’m glad that you started your own company and that you are doing good but Ponzi Schemes, Fraud, and scams like jan-pros need to be stopped.

• Please watch this following video its of a gentleman by the name of Douglas Adams who was ripped-off by a cleaning franchisor.

  http://www.thestar.com/videozone/238246–countrywide-victim-adams

• Guest: You almost had me feeling sorry for you for a brief moment, then I started to “fill in the blanks” . I find it extremely funny how both you and 1st amendment coordinate your responses and your statements. Obviously, the two of you know one another. That’s fine, but to continue portraying yourself as Uninterested because you won’t even post a “fake name”, “title” etc… is a little “corrupt” isn’t it?

  Now this “mankind” thing, did you read my other post. Was 1st amendment talking about “mankind”, “dude love”, “cactus jack” or was he trying to equate Jan-Pro with Global Warming, Ted Kennedy, Robert Byrd, Rachel Maddow, Chris Matthews, Nuclear Holocost, Iranian Dictators, Dictators Period, Hugo Chavez, Attorneys and freinds of attorneys such as “guest”!

  On 1st amendments other post of the evening, he’s doing racial profiling. Now isn’t that a hoot and he calls me a “racist homophob”or was that you.

• Guest: Could you and 1st amendment go get a room somewhere. I mean come on, would you at least pucker your lips first before he bends over? So you and 1st amendment believe that Jan-Pro is really equal too or worse than What? I’m actually at a loss for words here. I never really realized that a “commercial cleaning company that utilizes owner/operators to manage and clean office buildings, medical facilities, schools, trucking companies, airports, day cares, nursing homes, hospitals” was as dangerous as all of that.

  Did someone call TELEMUNDO and have them report that Jan-Pro is worst for the world than the Haitian Earthquake, BP Oil Spill, getting in front of me an a plate of country fried steak, Ted Bundy, Exxon Valdez, Katrina, Rita combined!!!!

  I’m surprised that Obama hasn’t called out the National Guard sent them to Alpharetta, GA and sent Eric Holder and Hillary Clinton in. (He knows he can’t send Bill Clinton there, some of the most beautiful women in the world call GEORGIA home!!!)

  And you have the “gonads” to call me stupid!!!!

• Guest: Yes, 1st amendment is an American Patriot, true Hero, he swoops in with his illegal alien friends and saves the day for all you Socialist Lovin, Marx adoring, Progressive Caucasin, Harry Reid supportin, Northeastern Elitest Snobs.

  I mean really, you’re going to compare him to what next Martin Luther King, Rosa Parks, Robert F. Kennedy, John F. Kennedy, Lyndon Baines Johnson, Ronald Regan, Gandhi. I’m sorry, obviously whatever 1st amendment was smoking earlier, you either joined him in the fields during harvest time or he gave you a “hit” of his personal stock.

• 1st amendment: So let’s see you are conducting racial profiling, you admit that you didn’t read the FDD, Didn’t follow Policy and Procedures, Got Fined, Was asked to be removed by the customer, Got Fined again, Got Violent with the Regional Office, yelled and screamed and yet you want to blame Jan-Pro for your “loss” of money.

  Interesting, so let’s go back to the stock market again, you would purchase stock, that stock price goes down because of Obama, Congress, Bad Business Practices, Republicans, Bad Management, Bad Product, Unions, “guest”, Progressives in General, Hillary Clinton, George Bush, BP, Hugo Chavez, Bad Kharma. So who are you going to blame? Yourself for not doing research on the stock, the company, politics of the day, what product they sold, Union walked out, “guest” because everything is his fault in my book, everything is their fault, she scares me, he scares me too, popular to blame them right now, he’s just weird and that’s undefinable.

  I mean, what Joe is simply trying to say, you can always look to blame someone, something, some policy, some word, some environmental convergence or you can do something about it, pull up your suspenders, keep your chin high and make a positive out of a negative.

  However, you’ve chosen another path and you say bitter things, make outrageous statements, sound stupid, sound bitter, you are mean spirited, make slanderous remarks, make “charges” that you know are false, endanger lives (possibly) and you think it’s all ok in the name of I GOT SCREWED!!! (in your opinion)

  Do you really realize what’s going on here, you’ve got SEIU, Attorneys (who really don’t want to associate with you, wouldn’t associate with you if it weren’t for this “issue”, would be the first one’s to look down on you and ask you to either park their BMW, Mercedes or “fetch” them a drink or Wipe their ass for them because they can’t get there hands dirty) and Progressives like “guest” wanting you to help them take down someone, in this case Jan-Pro.

  Now I don’t know about you, I think I would want to be in a “fight” with someone who actually new what it was I had gone through, cared enough to get into the “fight” with me, wouldn’t charge me a penny and would have “settled” this mess long before now so I could get on with my life.

  Maybe that’s me.

• Commercial cleaning franchises like Jan-Pro spend millions of dollars advertising with Entrepreneur magazine. In exchange (IMHO), Entrepreneur gives them these meaningless rankings that they can use to peddle their bogus opportunities on the unsuspecting. More than half of their “top 10 low cost franchises” are commercial cleaning franchises. Every one of these franchisors tout their rankings like they are an indication that they are endorsed as a good investment.

  # 2 Jani-King
  # 3 Jan-Pro Franchising Int’l. Inc.
  # 5 Stratus Building Solutions
  # 8 Vanguard Cleaning Systems
  # 9 ServiceMaster Clean
  # 10 Bonus Building Care
  # 12 Anago Cleaning Systems
  # 14 System4
  # 21 CleanNet USA Inc.
  # 30 OpenWorks
  # 36 BuildingStars Inc.
  # 48 OctoClean Franchising Systems
  # 53 Mint Condition Franchising Inc.
  # 68 Office Pride Commercial Cleaning
  # 75 MTOclean Inc.

  Here’s the truth: the rankings have little-to-nothing to do with the viability of the franchise investment. According to Entrepreneur “We do not measure subjective elements such as franchisee satisfaction or management style”

  How can they evaluate a franchise opportunity without considering whether franchisees are screaming bloody murder or not?
  Or the profitability of franchisees?
  Or if the management is unethical or dishonest?
  Or if the FTC has singled out this segment for scam warnings?
  Or that there are widespread lawsuits and allegations of deception?

  They claim they consider litigation and terminations in their “super secret ranking formula” but if those factors were given any weight janitorial franchises certainly would not top the list.

  According to Entrepreneur, “The most important factors include financial strength and stability, growth rate and size of the system.”

  So in essence there’s a multimillion dollar disinformation campaign wherein business publications pretend that the fact that the franchisors making money is the same as the franchisees making money. Only the lawsuits and sites like this one provide an opportunity to expose this blatant scam on the American working men and women in pursuit of their American dreams.

  Of course they need to be able to make their own informed decisions, but to do that they need to be provided with true information, not multimillion dollar campaigns designed to obscure the truth and hide reality.

• To all those worried by the fact that Jerry hasn’t posted (at least on this thread) for the entire day:

  Don’t be alarmed! CNN reports that BP has successfully plugged the gulf oil leak using, of all things, Jerry’s voluminous, vapid and incoherent comments. It turns out that they are have the perfect spongelike texture of sucking up oil, tarballs as well as grey matter.

  It’s reported that Jerry is sitting on the edge of a BP oil platform right now typing 100 wpm about the wisdom of the tea party, about his favorite sections of the Jan-Pro policies and procedures manuals, strange-but-true floor buffing tales and the liberal left’s unfair discrimination against bigots.

  Go Jerry Go!

• LOL… People better cut down on the big words. I don’t think 90 percent of the people here know what these words are.

  On a beter note that website I mentioned sells a bidding calculator similar to EZ bid for 150. I don’t know how accurate it is but that puts the breaks on the ‘I don’t know how to bid excuse’

• And 1st amendmant, I hate Jan Pro. I’m not telling you to let people get ripped off. The point of this site is for people to see how many unhappy people there are. If you google jan pro complaints this is the first site tat comes up. But you beter have a plan B. I don’t think jan pro will lose a lawsuit. To much ‘doubt’. I hope they lose..ill sign right up.. I want my money back. And all these ridiculous comments are funny.. Have some thicker skin man. Make fun of Jerry for being fat if it bothers you that much.

• “Have some thicker skin man. Make fun of Jerry for being fat if it bothers you that much.”

  Good advice from Joe A. Making fun of Jerry has definitely been the highlight of my week. Thanks all for indulging me.

  And sorry for the big words (I had to look them up, too) I just wanted Jerr-Bear to get his money’s worth from his new Hooked on Phonics CDs.

  Hang in there, 1st. Of all the amendments, you’re still my favorite. :)

• Guest: As you are aware, I made a recent trip to the beautiful Gulf Coast. I found a ride out to the site and my “partners” on this trip were none other than:

  Al Gore, Rachel Maddow, Chris Matthews, “Dude Love”, Larry King, Attorneys from the SEIU, Attorneys representing the Polar Bears in Alaska, Attorneys representing the Ice Bergs in Antartica, Attorneys representing Tipper Gore, Attorneys representing Alcee Hastings, Attorneys representing Justice Department, Attorneys representing Attorneys everywhere.

  Upon our arrival of the Leak, we attempted to Lower Al Gore down over the pipeline under the instructions of the Attorneys representing Ice Bergs. However, he wasn’t quite Large enough to “plug the whole”. Then “Dude Love” aka Nick Foley, aka “Cactus Jack” aka “Mankind” decided to “tip” the Helicopter and all of the attorneys and there “legal briefs” effectively “closed the hole”. I returned safely to New Orleans with Rachel, Larry and “Tipper” unfortunately Larry and Rachel are now married and divorced.

  You see, Attorneys do have a purpose in life!

• According to Julie Bennett of Franchise Times, New Venture of San Bernardino, a Jan-Pro regional franchisor in California, lists 94 franchisees in its most recent FDD. When Franchise Times called 39 of them at random,

  Out of 39 Jan-Pro franchisees called by Franchise Times:

  3 were still active
  11 never returned messages
  10 phone numbers had been disconnected or reassigned
  7 never answered the phone
  4 spoke only Spanish
  4 said they’d left the franchise “because they never made any money”

  So when Jerry touts all the active franchisees out there, remember that Franchise Times found that only 7.7% (3 out of 39) of supposed Jan-Pro franchisees actually exist. The number for Jani-King was even less (5.8%), as they called 17 unit franchisees and could only find 1 still active.

  If this isn’t evidence of a scam, my friends, what is?

• Guest: The evidence of a “scam” is the continued “half truths” committed by you and 1st amendment. Of course, when you and 1st amendment lose your case, it will be quite “funny” to hear what “excuses” are given. Much like the recent “loss” when it was “excused away” that it was a “test case”.

  Really, I’m sure that “aiwah” and his “merry band of disgruntled owner/operators” appreciated the fact that you, 1st amendment and Liz all referred to his case as a “test case” of course 200K later, he may not feel so good about it.

  Well, he won’t be paying it anyway, he’ll simply claim bankruptcy protection, have his name continued to be “dragged through the mud”, I’m sure that other than utilizing his name in continued interviews and articles, that his attorneys have long forgotten who he is.

  Jerry, that’s what will happen to you. Maybe “guest” have have you wash and wax his BMW for him, to assist you in paying off your debt.

• Since we are all sue happy shouldn’t ‘aiwah’ be suing his atorneys for malpractice since they weren’t representing his best interest and used him as a test case?

• Jan Pro feels protected because only small guys like me bought a fake cleaning franchise. Jan-Pro feels that we will not start a lawsuit because we can not afford it. Somebody, somehow had penetrated Jan-Pro protection shield! I have 15+ years of experience on the service industry. I purchased a Jan-pro franchise thinking that will take me to the next level. Well, well, well, the way is run right now is a scam period! Jan-Pro is making money of selling franchises, not by getting new cleaning accounts that will create a solid cleaning business. The profit is selling franchises no more no less. Consequently, if you buy a franchise you add to the profit for the corporation/master franchisor and you will get underbid accounts, or somebody else accounts, and the sooner you disappear leaving room for a “new franchisee” the better. SCAM WITH A SMALL PRINT!

• Searching the internet I found the following post in the following website. You can see it by gong to

  http://www.justanswer.com/questions/32hw1-hello-my-name-is-xxxxx-i-purchase-jan-pro-cleaning-service

  I purchase Jan Pro cleaning service for $200,000 in business for a price of $40,000 and pay 20,000 in cash and took out a loan from Jan Pro for 20,000. I’ve owned the franchise for three years. They have been taking contracts away and reselling them stating that the customer requested to change I have them on e-mail and I also have a letter from the customer stating that they did not request for me to be removed. They put things in the insuance policy where you can’t get insuance from other people on your own. They charge below standard rate for cleaning where you can’t hire enough people to clean the job. Is there any help for me. I’ve heard of a lot of lawsuit’s similar to this one could someone please help me.

• It looks like there is another class action lawsuit that was just recently filled againts coverall this one in San Diego, California.
  I’m not to sure but I think this lawsuit has about 50 people in it.

  Laguna v coverall

• From GPM memorandum:
  “A California federal court recently denied a motion to dismiss a class action complaint alleging alter ego liability of a franchisor’s parent corporation. Laguna v. Coverall North 6 America, Inc., 2009 WL 5125606 (S.D. Cal., Dec. 18, 2009). In Laguna, the complaint alleged that Coverall improperly sold janitorial franchises knowing that the franchisees lacked sufficient business to satisfy their obligations under the franchise agreements and that it misrepresented the guaranteed amount of monthly income from the franchises.
  Another key allegation was that the class members were wrongfully classified as
  independent contractors to avoid paying minimum wage, overtime compensation, rest and meal periods, other wage protections, and eligibility for unemployment and worker’s compensation.
  In addition to Coverall, the complaint named Allied Capital Corp., Coverall’s parent, as a defendant under a theory of alter ego liability. Allied moved to dismiss, invoking recent Supreme Court Iqbal and Twombly holdings that to state a viable claim, a complaint must allege facts that “plausibly” suggest that the plaintiff is entitled to relief, not just facts showing that misconduct was “possible.” The court found that the complaint alleged that Allied was the sole shareholder in Coverall, regularly removed cash and other assets from Coverall to minimize the ability of creditors to attach funds, did not respect normal corporate formalities, failed to contribute capital or issue stock, and failed to provide adequate capital and operating funds. The court concluded that
  these allegations raised the plaintiffs’ right to relief “beyond a mere speculative level.”

  Same complaints repeated over and over with all these companies… only Jerry could deny there’s a problem here and something needs to be done.

  This is nothing short of organized crime. Where’s Melvin Purvis & his G-Men when you need them?

• Felix: Are you the same Felix that invested a small amount of money in Jan-Pro and 4 years later, recovered not only your initial investment but actually pocketed a minimum of 5X that amount of money?

  Now no offense, what kind of ROI were you expecting?

  Return on Investment for 1st Amendment and “guest” who between them have less than one year experience in the commercial cleaning industry.

  Felix, you continue to “bitch” and “moan”. Yet you made your money back, multiple times, you make statements like “they only make money selling franchises”. REALLY? Wow, here’s a “news flash” for you and the other minions that follow 1st amendment:

  Typical package purchased is roughly 3X over “contract” or “monthly billing” on some packages it less than that, some its over.

  On a typical “contract sale” they “modifier” is at a minimum of 3X, most average out at 4X and some actually go to 5X depending on the size purchased of your original package.

  So let’s see, which is more 3X or 4X or 5X. Even 1st amendment should be able to “figure” that one out. Oh, I forgot too, the “master” charges interest if the “owner/operator” choses to finance. So there’s more money in that aspect than “churning’ or “selling of franchise units”.

  Too bad common sense is in short supply on “guest” and “1st amendments” side of the ledger.

• Guest: Of course, there you go again with your “half truths” fortunately peoples attention spans aren’t as short as yours and 1st amendments. For God sakes, he’s still getting consultation on why he needs a “brokers license”.

  As I’ve said all along, industry needs reforming, things should be as simple as possible for “all sides” to make money, for “all sides” to get along, for “all sides” to be a little bit happier and maybe for “all sides” to be a little unhappy.

  Problem with you, 1st amendment and some others, is you want it “all” or you want nothing. At the end of the day, I believe you’ll get nothing and this “cycle” will never end. There’s been plenty of lawsuits over the last twenty years, there will be plenty of lawsuits over the next twenty years without the proper reforms.

  You will continue to lose in the “lawsuits” for one basic reason, when it comes down to getting things in front of a “jury of peers” you lose on the following aspects each and every time.

  1. Common Sense
  2. Freedom of Choice
  3. Not enough proof to prove the worst allegations being made
  4. Validity of your overall argument is lacking

  That’s what happened in “aiwah” that’s what’s going to happen in “1st amendments case” and any other that makes its way through the system.

  Only winners, the attorneys. Only losers, everyone else.