JANI-KING Franchise Complaints

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• When Julie Bennett called 17 Jani-King unit franchisees listed in the FDD as “active,” she could only find 1 who was still actively in business.

  That means fewer than 6% of those Jani-King said were active were still in business. Maybe the 94% didn’t read the FDD, but what does it matter? They are gone, and so is their savings. Anyone thinking about these franchises should consider those odds.

  When Franchise Times called 39 Jan-Pro franchisees:

  3 were still active
  11 never returned messages
  10 phone numbers had been disconnected or reassigned
  7 never answered the phone
  4 spoke only Spanish
  4 said they’d left the franchise “because they never made any money”

  Jerry would contend that the 92% of Jan-Pro franchisees FT determined were MIA probably didn’t read their FDDs and are undeserving of sympathy or compassion. Maybe so. But what do you call an opportunity sold using bogus franchise counts where 90+% will end up MIA? Does the term scam come to mind?

  So when Jerry touts all the active franchisees out there, remember that Franchise Times found that only 7.7% (3 out of 39) of supposed Jan-Pro franchisees actually exist. The number for Jani-King was even less (5.8%).

• Guest: No, what has probably happened and what I suggested, but you already know, but why give out any “truth”.

  1st: A lot of times, cellphones are the primary “choice”of the owner/operator, they change numbers, more than you change your underwear.

  2nd: As you know, most states only require “master” to update the list once per year when it is time “update or refile” with the state.

  3rd: Some states don’t require you to “update” at all.

  Those are FACTS, not the garbage that you and 1st amendment would have you believe. If any one had bothered to “check” with the regional office, I’m sure that they would have provided updated information without question. But no, that’s not the case and you know it.

• 92% of the Jan-Pro franchisees listed in the FDD (The document Jerry insists is SO critical to read) were no longer reachable and their business lines were dead or nonresponsive.

  Jerry’s explanation? They must change business numbers a lot!

  Ha! Ha! Ha! Right! Good one, Jerr-bear! Wait… he’s serious?

  But while that contention is so ludicrous it seems laughable, it must be true! How can you be sure? Because Jerry SAYS “Those are FACTS”! Must be true!

  Just like Jerry says it’s a FACT that there are thirty (30) thousand diligent franchise worker bees cleaning the offices of THIS GREAT COUNTRY every night. But if Julie Bennett’s (one of the most respected writers in franchising) numbers are right, there are really only 2,310 – and that’s being generous. Because 92% of Jerry’s Janitorial Army don’t exist… anymore.

  Where are they? Probably in the welfare state Jerry loves so much… especially since they couldn’t get unemployment like other laid off employees.

• Guest: Julie Bennett “one of the most respected writers in this country”: REALLY? wow, let’s see a show of hands for all of those that have ever heard of her. Wait a minute, “guest and 1st amendment” you don’t count. My God, you make her sound like she’s won some sort of award for journalism. Maybe TELEMUNDO one of the most respected television broadcasters in this country could do an expose on Julie Bennett.

  Funny, in her article, she makes it sound like if they didn’t answer by the third ring they weren’t in business any more. Did she leave a voice mail, did she try calling more than once, did she ask the regional offices for an updated list, what year was the list that she had, how about FACTS.

  So “guest” would have you believe that any “spewing” that he and 1st amendment does is full of “FACTS”. Yet, when others who actually know what they are talking about, those issues are “slid under the rug” and an attempt to “blind the truth” with nonsense is the chosen path of the day.

  Here’s something for thought, I can call 200 people at random, depending on time of day I call them, depending on how many times I let the phone ring, depending on whether I decide to leave a voice message with a return number or not, I can make or “skew” my numbers any way I chose to make them come out.

  If I call “guest” and all of his “friends” on the Progressive Left. I bet I can get President Obama’s “approval rating” above 50%. However, if I call people pretty much anywhere else in the country, I would be hard pressed to get President Obama’s rating above 30%. But if I “sample’ the two, I can get his current rating of “42%”.

  Again, blinded by FACTS will win every time. Let’s all wait with “baited breath” as “guest and/or 1st amendment” attempt to “skew and spew” this one.

• Jerry:
  Hmmm… trained journalists seeking franchisees for interviews can’t reach 92% of those listed as active in the FDD, and Jerry logically deduces they must change phone numbers daily! Of course, cuz real business owners don’t answer their business phones or forward them when changing numbers?
  Or maybe they were out on their yachts!
  Or at the Ferrari dealership!
  Or being tied up by the Swedish Bikini Team!
  Or maybe they don’t get cell phone reception in their vast wine cellars!
  Maybe they were flying their little ladies to Paris in their private jets for romantic weekends!

  I guess reading the FDD isn’t all that valuable, according to Jerry, since the info is all outdated and the contact info useless.

  FYI people who actually read business publications like the Wall Street Journal, BusinessWeek, Forbes, Franchise Times, USA Today have all heard of Julie Bennett. Maybe she’ll publish in Janitorial Scammer Monthly so you’ll have heard of her, too.

• Guest: Oh there you go again, making so much “funny”. As you know again, (maybe you don’t) the FDD is multiple pages, approx. 1/3 is dedicated to mandatory filings given by the FTC, approx. 1/3 is attorneys being attorneys and states being states, the final 1/3 actually is the only part that I find helps owner/operators on a consistent basis.

  No, as stated before, most states only require FDD updating once per year, there are several states, that you don’t have to update unless FTC, State information changes. Hence, common sense dictates, that unless it was a reasonably close time period, numbers listed may not work.

  Of course her award winning journalism is defined by “the same rags” that you claim know so much about everyhting, except for the “truth”. Now what I also said was, you can “skew” a poll any way you want, depending on the “factors” as described earlier.

  We already know from 1st amendments personal experience that owner/operators don’t answer their phones especially when they know it potentially could be “bad news”, happen to be working their “other job” or a variety of reasons such as they believe it could be ICE searching for them.

  It is amazing, how little you know about not only the commercial cleaning industry, but in particular about the “owner/operator system”. Of course, I need to remember that your greates claim to knowledge is “1st amendment” champion of the LESS THAN ONE YEAR WONDERS!!!!!!

• To jerry who is working for the cleaning franchisors

  Its a fact that janiking has many , many lawsuits.

  If you check the Federal Trade comission they warn you about buying a franchise with them.

  There is hundreds of complaints in England and the United states.

  They have so many Lawsuits that it would take thousands and thousands of pages top list them all.

• 1st amendment: There you go again, “spewing’ there are not hundreds of lawsuits against Jani-King. Most of the ones filed in Minnesota were dismissed for a variety of reasons. You make it sound like there are thousands of unhappy/disgruntled “owner/operators” that simply isn’t true.

  FTC warns against buying any “franchise” without proper due dilligence, without checking out facts, without checking with all information possible. Please show me where the FTC has stated ‘NOT TO BUY A JANI-KING FRANCHISE” and I’ll shut up and leave this site for good.

  You can’t, you won’t be able to. Those are the FACTS and they are without dispute.

• To jerry a master franchisor

  Hey I guees your on janikings paytoll to. How much is janiking paying you $$$

  Did they pay you for that vacation you took last week?

  There is many lawsuits againts janiking, there is hundreds of complaints against janiking in the USA and England.

  Thise are the Facts.

• 1st amendment: “guest’ gets to talk to me about “spelling’. What’s the matter “guest” a little “two faced” as usual. You lose credibility, not that you had much to begin with, but I’m trying to help you out with the viewers. At the end of the day, they are the only one’s making decisions to believe or disbelieve. You, I and 1st amendment are already in our respective “camps”. Nothing I say to you, you say to me or anything 1st amendment says to anyone, makes a difference in our positions.

  1st amendment, prove that there are 100’s of lawsuits against Jani-King. Remember in order to be 100’s there must be at least 200.

  So let’s see who comes up with the “facts”. Now, I’ll use the article that Julie Bennett the “purlitzer prize winner”, “nobel prize winner”, “golden globe winner”, “emmy winner”, What? she didn’t when any of those. Wow, she must not be too good then, they hand out prizes for writing like 1st amendment hands out “monkey dung” on a daily basis.

  Let’s get TELEMUNDO and their investigative reporter, who can manage to find the Jan-Pro office but couldn’t find an illegal alien on a hot summers day at the Tequilla Bar.

• If you have been ripped-off by a cleaning franchisor you can file a complaint with the following Goverment agencies.

  Federal Trade Commision

  http://www.Ftc.Gov

  The US Attorney General

  http://www.justice.gov/ag/

  You can also join one of the many class action lawsuits

• 1st amendment: What’s the matter, if you had bothered to read or understand the FDD, the information you are posting on this and every website is actually already in there.

  So you must think everyone is as STUPID as you are. Believe it or not, most people actually read the FDD before handing over any money at all. Most people actually read the Policy and Procedures aspect before they hand over any money, Most people actually call the other owner/operators listed in the FDD before they hand over any money, Most people not only wait the mandatory time of 10 business days, but they usually take month’s from the time the presentation is given and they actually sign.

  WOW! That’s called due dilligence, that’s called FREEDOM of CHOICE, that’s called making up your own mind.

• Jerry says “Most people actually call the other owner/operators listed in the FDD before they hand over any money”

  Really? Jerry just got finished stating that the contacts in the FDD are unreachable because they change phone #s more than some change underwear, that the FDD is only updated yearly for some states and not for others. Now he states everyone calls these owners.

  Which is it, Jerr-Bear? Jerry flip-flops more than them liberal candidates he loves so much.

  Out of 17 Jani-King franchisees from the FDD called, only one was still in business. Out of 39 Jan-Pro franchisees from the FDD called, only 3 were still in business and one of those wanted out.

• Guest: No flip flopping, as stated before, Julie is “skewing” her results, I cannot believe that she left messages, can’t believe that she tried calling more than once, can’t believe she called the “master” and asked for an updated list.

  Problem with you and Julie is that someone is pointing out that “stuff happens” and that “stuff” in this case, is the “skewing of the results”. I can and only will speak about “my master” and the facts associated with a few others that I personally know of. Though mine ran his poorly, in many ways was an “idiot”, he did do some things correctly.

  One of those things was constantly updating his “contact information”. He did so on a regular basis. I can also speak aobut what he did in regards to Insurance, which of course was an earlier dispute, I can also speak about his and others file cabinet full of “bids” not gotten and therefore that assists in proving that “underbidding” is not rampant throughout the system as well as comments made from “outsiders” that agreed that ABM and “Mom and Pops” were the real “whores” of the marketplace.

  What I find funny is on one site, you think I’m a detriment to “franchisors” yet on another you attack me on a point by point basis.

  Funny, if I were a “detriment” you would simply let me “spew” and “spew” without input. So maybe, because on multiple points now, others are chiming in.

  Let’s recap for a second: The “lead plantiff in the national class action suit against Jan-Pro has openly admitted the following:

  a) Didn’t bother reading the FDD
  b) Had more than 10 days to make up his mind to sign or not
  c) Didn’t bother reading the Policy and Procedures part of the agreement
  d) Didn’t bother servicing his customer properly
  e) Didn’t bother returning phone calls
  f) Was fined, therefore warned that his account was in jeopardy.
  g) Got a copy of the email stating the customers dissatisfaction of service and his removal requested.
  h) Was threatened when he refused to turn the keys in on a timely basis
  i) Was vulgar, unprofessional in his handlings/dealings with regional office
  j) Has Lied repeatidly on this site and others about the following issues:

  1) Underbidding of accounts, proved without too much effort , that is not the case
  2) Was not allowed to get Insurance on his own and if he did, he stated “he would have been fined $50.00 per day. which has been disproven by me and others.
  3) Was not given or offered his full accounts per his package bought. Fulfillment letter was sent to him listing all of the accounts he had and when the were offered, declined/accepted.
  4) Finally, had not run or operated his business in the “jan-pro” way as outlined in Policy and Procedures.

  Could it be, that your boy “1st amendment, Jerry”v”, Iloveamerica” and “the lead plantiff in the battle for mankind against Jan-Pro in the National Class Action Lawsuit” might be a liability for the case?

  Could it be that “aiwah” after having been “classified” as a “test case” by all of those “hollier than though” attorneys of his and being stuck with a 200K judgement is having issues with the TRUTH and REALITY of the stiuation.

  Let the viewers an others BEWARE, “anon” and “guest” don’t care who they hurt, how much someone has to pay, what garbage is “spewed” as long as they and the people that support them WIN at ALL COSTS!!!!

• To jerry who said that he is a jan-pro insider, what ever that means?

  Again the Facts come out and you scream like a mad little monkey. Basicaly there is so many articles that tell the truth about the cleaning franchisors and you get verry upset when they report the truth.

  There is hundreds of lawsuits. There is hundreds of complaints from all over the world. People in Canada, England, USA and other countries are all complaining on how they have been ripped-off by cleaning franchisors.

  When the Federal Trade Commision WARNS people about buying a cleaning franchise you know that there is something very seriously wrong!

  When the Attorney general from Maryland WARNS that you should look out and be very careful about buying a cleaning franchise you know that there is something very WRONG!

  When there is other Goverment agencies investigating these cleaning franchisors you know that there is something teribly very WRONG!

• I have great respect for the 46.9 million Hispanic Americans. They are hard working, family oriented people with deep religious and cultural values. People of Hispanic origin the nation’s largest ethnic or race minority, and the fastest growing.

  Whether bigots like Jerry like it or not, more than 1 of every two people added to the nation’s population is Hispanic. By July 1, 2050, There will be 132.8 Hispanic Americans in the US, constituting 30% of the nation’s population.

  Sorry, Jerry, but bigots are the new minority. You can try to dress up your racist remarks as patriotic immigration nonsense, but we can see through your disgraceful and hurtful remarks. I really don’t think this kind of racism should be tolerated in the 21st century. It’s disgraceful and un-American.

  Jerry writes “Even in California it’s at least “taco time” isn’t it?”
  Jerry writes “TELEMUNDO and their investigative reporter… couldn’t find an illegal alien on a hot summers day at the Tequilla Bar.”
  Jerry writes “make sure you call Telemundo and remind them of all the illegal aliens you have living in your house”
  Jerry writes “I was forced to go into the basement and feed/water all of the illegal aliens we are ‘training’ to become the next batch of owner/operators”

  I’m sure all the Hispanic Americans doing their due diligence really appreciate your comments. You’re as enlightened as a burning cross, Jerry.

• Guest: As stated on the other site, you can label me all you want, you can call people “racist”, “bigot” and other names. At the end of the day, a true man of character doesn’t let “tags” define who he is.

  I’ll be able to look at myself in the mirror every day. Question is, can you? What lies have you told, what mis-statements have you made, what path have you gone down? Just wondering. So you expect everyone to believe what you say 100% of the time without verification, without “due dilligence”, without independent thought. REALLY! Isn’t that what Karl Marx used to say and think, isn’t that what Stalin, Lenin, Sadam, used to think. Isn’t that what HUGO CHAVEZ is basically saying to the people of Venezuela? Are you really that comfortable making decisions for EVERYONE? Are you really that arrogant?

• Jerry:

  The taxpayers of America would like you to repay us the money we spent on your public school education, which you obviously slept through.

  Perhaps someone can direct you to a map of North “America” Note that there are two other countries on it in addition to the U.S.. You see, little Jerr, residents of a country called Mexico are “Americans” too. So are Canadians, out neighbors to the North.

  If you study hard, some day I’ll tell you about Central “America” and even South “America”

  But I think that’s enough book lernin’ for you for one day, Jerr-bear! We don’t want your little brainy wainy to have a boo-boo!

• Guest: Noticed how you “drove by” the earlier comments about your “upbringing”. Problem with you and I is that we are from two different “worlds”.

  I made my “bones” in an industry where cleaning toilets, mopping floors, stripping floors, bonnet cleaning carpets, washing windows etc… is how you make your money. Work hard, do a good job, get paid a fair amount of money.

  You’ve made your “bones” by attacking people, attacking people that work hard for a living, you want to make “examples” as to why people like 1st amendment should be given the same money, the same “bones” as someone like me, like Joe A. like others that have posted on this site. Biggest difference between them and him: They worked for it, they worked hard for it, they fought for it, they went through adversity and they made it.

  What did 1st amendment do:

  1. Didn’t Read, Didn’t Listen, Didn’t Do, Didn’t Value, Didn’t Service and Didn’t Serve. Therefore, he doesn’t deserve to reap the rewards just because he SHOWED UP!!!!! I know in your world, SHOWING UP is all that is required. In my world, SHOWING UP is just the begininning.

  2. Whined to anyone and everyone who would listen. Whining is what a CHILD does, a MAN pulls himself up, dusts himself off and opens his own business which is exactly what Joe A. and others have done.

  3.Made false statements, mis-represented FACTS, Lied about information given and gathered and attempted to make “blanket statements’ that simply weren’t true or realative.

  Finally, what have you done, NOTHING!!! You don’t know this business, don’t want to know this business, have no respect for this business, have no respect for the people that live/work and gain money from this business. All you do is MOCK and DEGRADE!

  You wonder why people don’t view you and 1st amendment as GOD like any more, probably because they aren’t looking at you through rose colored glasses any more!!!! Maybe they are listening to me and I’ll I’m saying is: DON’T BELIEVE A WORD YOU READ WITHOUT VERIFYING IT FOR YOURSELVES!!!!! Don’t believe Me, don’t believe Guest and certainly don’t believe 1st amendment EVER!!!!

• 1st amendment; Would you quit with your “monkey” comments, it really makes you look and sound more foolish than what you normally do.

  Again, Not mad at you, never have been mad at you, doubt I will ever be mad at you. Do I think you are wrong? Yes Do I think you have learned from “guest” “anon” and Liz how to “stretch the truth”, “out and out make mis-statments”, “tell Lies for so long that even you believe them”? Yes.

  It’s amazing, someone that’s only been “in the business” for one year (actually less than one year) Thinks he knows so much more about this business than someone that’s been in it for over 25 Years such as myself and others that have posted on this site. Is this arrogance or stupidity? Doesn’t matter much does it, still makes you FOOLISH and STUPID.

• Why do cleaning franchisors hurt people like Mr. Padilha and Mr. Martins. Please read part of the following article that came out in the New York Times.

  What was hapening in 2005 is still hapening today in 2010.

  To read the whole article you can go to the following link.

  http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/13/national/13franchising.html

  Lawsuits Charge Fraud in Cleaning Business

  By STEVEN GREENHOUSE
  Published: July 13, 2005

  João Padilha had been saving money from his work as a restaurant deliveryman outside Boston when he heard a tantalizing offer to buy a cleaning franchise.

  Marcos Martins, a Brazilian immigrant like Mr. Padilha, was looking to go into business.

  Tri Duc Nguyen, a Vietnamese immigrant in Portland, Ore., needed a way to make money after Fujitsu closed the factory where he worked.

  All three men put thousands of dollars into cleaning franchises and say they were shortchanged.

  As Mr. Padilha retells it, the top Boston representative of Coverall Cleaning Concepts said he could make $3,000 a month cleaning buildings if he paid $12,880 for a franchise. What is more, Mr. Padilha says he was told he could easily parlay his investment into a large cleaning business.

  So Mr. Padilha paid the money and was assigned two women’s health clinics, in Haverhill and Newburyport, Mass.

  He was told it would take two and a half hours a day to clean the clinics, but it took six hours, he said. Coverall also gave him two dialysis clinics, and soon he was cleaning and shuttling among clinics from 5:30 p.m. to 7 a.m. on weekdays, with six more hours on weekends.

  He estimated that he worked 65 hours a week and 280 hours a month. But his receipts show that Coverall, which handled payments, paid him $1,262 a month, less than half what he says he had been promised.

  “I was doing all this work, but the check was for very little money,” Mr. Padilha said.

  So he went to the director of Coverall’s Boston office to complain.

  “When I came in, they said I had no more work,” Mr. Padilha said. “He said the supervisor of one clinic no longer wanted me. They took all my work away in one fell swoop. I asked for my franchise money back, but they said no.”

  “It’s sad for a man to cry, but I left that room crying,” he added.

  Mr. Padilha said he recouped none of his investment and soon learned that Mr. Martins had obtained the franchise to clean the dialysis clinics.

  Mr. Martins said: “I asked why the person who was doing it before had discontinued the work. The field consultant told me the person had gone back to Brazil.”

  Mr. Martins put $5,000 down and promised to pay $306 a month for two years to obtain a franchise that he was told would generate $2,000 a month for him. He said he cleaned clinics 72 hours a week, about 300 hours a month, but received just $1,366.

  He, too, was, abruptly terminated at the clinics for reasons he says he never understood.

  A dozen franchisees, including Mr. Padilha and Mr. Martins, are suing Coverall, charging it with fraud, breach of contract and failing to pay the minimum wage. They assert that the company took out improperly large commissions and did not have enough customers to supply franchisees.

• 1st amendment: No argument from me, IF this happened, they need to Sue Coverall and Coverall needs to stop this practice IF they are doing NONSENSE like this. Did they sue? Did they win?

• Jerry writes “No argument from me, IF this happened…”

  No, I’m sure they made it up, Jerry. This story is 5 years old and the same story has been retold over and over by dozens of hardworking immigrants preyed on by the unscrupulous scammers you make excuses for on a daily basis.

  “IF this happened”? Give me a break.

• Janiking seems to be ripping of alot of people here in USA and also in the UK. There is a UK blog http://www.able2know.com in that blog you can read some of the Horror stories of how janiking rips-off people. However I liked what someone posted and decided to share it with all of you. Basicaly its about people coming together and taking ACTION!

  http://able2know.org/topic/40641-6

  There was a group called the Cleanup group in 1999. Started by a franchisee, who got in touch with as many other franchisees as possible, from the list provided in due diligence, who then, in turn, contacted all the franchisees they knew and held meetings in Tamworth. Franchisees came from all over the country, also Scotland. They all decided to go collectively to the press. There was a massive campaign by the Daily Mirror’s SORTED page by Andrew Penman, even the Times carried the story, he was hated by J.K. J.K. met with the representatives of the Cleanup group, gave the leaders top jobs, changed their ways for a couple of years then went back to normal after riding out the storm.
  Maybe it is time for another Cleanup Group
  There was also a good solicitor called Douglas Jones Mercer at
  I do not know if they still practice but it would be worth a try.
  Good Luck!

  URL: http://able2know.org/topic/40641-6

• Guest/SEIU: Yes, it’s been told over and over. You know why, because people like you and the attorneys attempting to make a profit continually “churn” the same GARBAGE day in and day out. It goes back to the “Charge”. It doesn’t matter what the TRUTH is, it’s the seriousness of the CHARGE. This is right out of the union play book and is in the 1st chapter, 1st verse of the Karl Marx handbook of how to “topple” a FREE SOCIETY.

  SEIU (formally known as guest) has a very vested interest in the outcome of the lawsuits. That’s why they are financing and paying for all of the attorneys currently engaged in the Class Action suits. You say you can’t believe that, REALLY! How about the recent “election” in Arkansas. Though I am certainly not a Blanche Lincoln supporter, look at what the SEIU did or tried to do in that state.

  Yes, believe it, they are the one’s footing the bill. WHY? Because they believe that regardless of the outcome they can continue to Grow their ranks either by forcing the “national companies” to negotiate with them or by making a “peace offering” to the “big 3” to the tune of allowing unionized workers in at least the larger facilities/contracts that they have. You see, here in Indianapolis and in other cities where “Janitors for Justice” supposidly worked, the building owners/managers have started replacing those “signature companies” with owner/operator companies at an alarming rate!!!

  Now, Unions have their place in our society, they even have some GOOD THOUGHTS from time to time, but most Unions aren’t run by the actual members, the one’s actually paying the dues, they are run by people such as SEIU here, they are communist supporting, marxist believing, socialist dreaming, Progressive Thinking, Idealogues whose only objective is to make their pockets bigger and YOURS and MINE smaller.

• 1st amendment: Didn’t mean to leave you out of the conversation, but I would actually agree and welcome something similar to happen in regards to an “oversite group” for franchise owners. WAIT A SECOND, I actually proposed that very Same Thing!!!!!!!!

  Here’s a FOOD for THOUGHT, maybe that’s the way it should be done, reasonable people, talking in a reasonable manner, working things out in a reasonable way.

  But I know, it won’t happen. I’m not blaming anyone, not even 1st amendment (I will always continue to blame SEIU though and the attorneys taking SEIU’s money, which by the way is union dues money, someone should launch an investigation on why Union Leaders get to take Union Dues and use it for political and non-sensical ways) unfortunately we live in a Day and Society that can’t see past, over, through the attorneys!!!!! Everyone does everything they can not to get sued, and yet, that’s usually what happens.

  Only way to STOP this nonsense on both SIDES of the Issue, is to get the ATTORNEYS out of the middle. Both are liars, both spew garbage, both have agendas that are unproductive. By Both, I mean the franchise supported attorneys and the SEIU, 1st amendment, “aiwah” attorneys.

  HOLLER!!!!! If you wish they could plug the hole in the Gulf with Attorneys!!!!!!!

• “Maybe it is time for another Cleanup Group”

  Great point, 1st Amendment. We need a “Cleanup Group” run by people who are so crazy passionate that they won’t be diverted by bribes, cushy jobs, threats, intimidation or be worn down by those who will attack their integrity, intelligence, business judgement, or ethnic background the way Flip-Flopper Jerry does.

  There is big money at stake and these companies spend millions advertising and scamvertising their indentured servant programs dressed up like business ownership. The scam continues because they know their victims are poor and do not have the resources to fight back. But corrupt regimes can be toppled by passionate rebels by using guerilla tactics, outsmarting rather than outspending.

• SEIU: Wow, Ididn’t know that these companies had millions and millions of dollars to spend on advertising, lawyers, meals, lawyers, planes, lawyers, equipment, lawyers. Did I forget to mention that they spend millions of dollars on lawyers?

  How about you and your organization SEIU? What do you spend millions of hard earned union dues on? Elections, ACORN, Lawsuits against Jan-Pro, Jani-King, Coverall. At least the “big 3” are using profits to pay for their issues, YOUR stealing from Union Members, Union Dues that are supposed to be spent for specific purposes. Is there really in difference between YOU and the MOB?

• SEIU: Did you at least “pucker” first before you kissed 1st amendment as he bent over? So why the change of tactics? Could it be the “legal run” is about to end, could it be that the SEIU as a body has decided not to pay attorneys fees any more? Could it be the typical “cut and run” tactics of Unions as a whole? Why don’t you praise “Janitors for Justice” any more?

  Come on SEIU (formally known as guest) why don’t you answer some questions for a change? Awful Funny, such a smart, brillant thinker, arrogant bastard such as yourself should have some answers for a “simpleton” such as me.

  Now its funny as to why you can’t deny anything that I stated earlier in my posts about your ties to the SEIU, what PROGRESSIVES think, What racism really is, Why you think the way that you do, Why you “diss” people who you deem “inferior”, you know What Stalin, Lenin and others have done with inferior people, those are your hero’s they were as arrogant as you are!!!

• To jerry who said that he is an insider with jan-pro

  Jerry you liar. This is the second time you say that you are leaving for ever and not posting ever again. You threw a tantrum last week and said that you would not be coming back. Now you know why I call you a snot nose Hipotric little monkey.

  You said that you would never be coming back. You said that you would never post again. You said that we would not see you here again. Liar, Liar, Liar. How many more lies have you told us and how many more will you tell us.

  You are not a man of your word you are only a screaming little monkey.

  Twice you said that you would not be coming back and here you are again.

  The word out in the street is that the check that the franchisor gave you BOUNCED! Just like the ladies who came out on Telemundo who got a Bounced check from jan-pro. So you had to threaten them by coming in here and saying that you would not be posting anymore and that you would be gone forever. I guess the franchisor finally relented and paid you cash to come in here and post your monkey dung once again.

• 1st amendment: You don’t read much do you? I pointed out perfectly that after I recieved my latest check from the “big 3” I had just enough money in my pocket to go out and get a twelve pack of my favorite adult beverage! Now after downing the entire twelve pack, I was able to come in here and make mince meat out of you and SEIU once again.

  Now my TELEMINDO reference for the day revolved around their “cracker jack” investigative reporter finding out that Your attorney’s were being paid for/by SEIU (no not the one formally known as “guest”) the actual Union itself.

  By the way, does anyone else think it’s weird that the “founder” of the SEIU has stepped down amid several scandals recently? One of those scandals envolved the recent spending of millions of dollars of union collected dues on an election in Arkansas. Also, they continue to spend millions of dollars on these “lawsuits” against the “big 3”. Could it be that the “rank and file” members are wanting their Union Back? Also, another Question? How did a white woman become President of the SEIU. I thought this was a Union represented by its “body of members”. I’m sorry, I know I don’t go to SEIU meetings, but I got to believe that White Women are not the majority of members in the SEIU. Got nothing against White Women mind you, just looking at the numbers.

  1st amendment, could you go and do some racial profiling as you have done with your “callers”. Find out for us what % of White Women are actual members of the SEIU.

• Jerry:
  What is your level of formal education? You obviously weren’t “college material,” but did you finish high school? GED? 8th grade?
  There’s nothing wrong with the school of hard knocks. Some of the wealthiest men in America are dropouts, so be honest.

• SEIU: What do you care, why don’t you start answering the “question of the day”. WHATS NEXT. Seems to me, you owe everyone an answer. Your so smart, you are so “worldly”, you know this business so well, you know people so well, you know franchising so well.

  HOW ABOUT a simple answer…. WHATS NEXT!!!!!!!

• Who the heck is SEIU? An imaginary friend? Please up your meds if you’re hearing voices again, Jerr-Bear.

  Don’t be embarrassed about yer ritin’ and a-cipherin. Are you saying you DIDN’T finish 8th grade at Jesse Helms Elementary?

• SEIU is the Service Employee International Union. Many janitors join this union in large markets, state employees, etc…..

• Pete/SEIU: Yes, you are correct about SEIU, that happens to be who “guest” is. After many reviews in concern to his past postings, his obvious relationship with the “case” and the fact that he continually “rushes” to 1st amendments defense, plus the fact that the SEIU is paying at least part of the “bill” for the current class action lawsuits filed against Jan-Pro, Coverall and Jani-King.

  SEIU knows exactly who he is and why I’m calling him that.

• The janitorial franchise scam is sort of brilliant, in its own sinister, evil way.

  There will always be companies who put profit ahead of the American worker and the American way. After U.S. manufacturers have squeezed all they can legally from the workers domestically, they move the jobs overseas where they won’t have to pay workers a living wage or provide a safe working environment.

  While these janitorial companies can’t move their work offshore, they have found a way to get slave labor without the pesky employment laws, unemployment compensation, minimum wage, overtime, etc.

  It’s pretty brilliant! Just call it a “franchise” and the slave labor will actually pay THEM to mop floors and clean toilets. And as long as they have mindless worker bee managers to delude themselves that it’s a legitimate business, the scam can go on and on for years.

  As long as there’s no hell, no judgement day coming, they just might get away with it!

• SEIU: Well there’s a different tone, you are basically admitting right in front of Pete and everyone else that you are a “union goon”.

  Of course, does it really matter, NO. Just would like for you to be honest for once.

• To jerry the liar who twice said that he would never be comming back. He promised to never come back and he went back on his word can you believe anything that he says?

  The Goverment had a study in 2001. The United States Goverment Accountability Office found that 3,491 people were tipped-off by cleaning franchisors.

  Also the franchising world views cleaning franchisors as a source of embarrassment for the franchise industry.

• 1st amendment: I’m amazed at your stupidity. Who cares if the what the GAO got “tipped off” by the cleaning franchisors. OH, you mean “ripped off”. REALLY! where’s that study, was it done by the same people that are wanting TOYS out of Happy Meals?

  The only one’s that should be embarrassed are you and SEIU. How dare you continue to “lead” people down a path that there is no HOPE, no FUTURE, no SATISFACTION and no JUSTICE. Let’s ask “aiwah’ how he feels after the years of stress, time, effort, physical and emotional strain, let’s ask him and his “co-plantiffs” what its like to have your Hopes dashed, your Fears realized because at the end of the day, they are standing there by themselves as “liz and her merry band of attorneys” leave them behind to pursue other cases.

  Where’s your dignity, seems like you and SEIU should go away and not come back.

• To jerry the liar who twice said that he would never be comming back. He promised to never come back and he went back on his word can you believe anything that he says?

  The Goverment had a study in 2001. The United States Goverment Accountability Office found that 3,491 people were RIPPED-OFF by cleaning franchisors.

  Also the franchising world views cleaning franchisors as a source of embarrassment for the franchise industry.

• 1st amendment: Still can’t grasp the Question of the Day: WHATS NEXT!. You seem to continue “spewing” your garbage without answering any of the valid questions and thoughts of the “viewers”.

  1. Who’s paying for your attorneys fees? Valid question. You obviously can’t afford a 400.00 per hour attorney, approx. 10K per month right now, more later.

  2. Why are you “pimping’ your attorney and actually “tracking” who you are “pimping” them to?

  3. Why are you and SEIU so close?

• New Slave Labor Franchise. Here’s a press release issued late last year.

  “Jani-King Janitorial Franchise Becomes New Slave Labor Franchise”
  Jani King Considered Worse Franchise To Invest In By Previous Investors

  Jani-King makes some amazing promises to prospective franchise buyers,
  but as many Jani-King Franchise buyers are now finding out the hard way,
  “all that glitters is not gold.”

  Jani-King has made major profits in the janitorial industry, by deceiving hard working people, that are looking to invest in a franchise opportunity, or business opportunity that offers them a good return on their investment, and as a result of Jani-King’s deceptive and unethical business practices, both present and past Jani-King franchise owners are now making their complaints publicly known, after many past and present Jani-King franchise owners feel that they were deceived by the many false promises of high returns, made to them by Jani-king representatives.

  Jani-King is gaining a national reputation for becoming the new slavery franchise, that takes 20% of each franchise owner’s profit up front before the franchise owner get a penny, and to make matters worse, the franchise owner has to worry about labor cost, taxes, payroll preparation, cleaning product costs, and equipment cost.

  Jani King franchise owners claim that Jani King will never tell them what their net income is going to be.
  If these claims are true of Jani-King, then Jani-King has become another corporate franchise that is not much better that Pre Paid Legal and its deceptive business practices, that yielded a federal investigation, class action lawsuits, and a decline in its once trusted reputation.

  Jani-King now faces lawsuits filed recently in Pennsylvania, Minnesota and California against Jani-King, contending that Jani-King misrepresented their offerings, because they do not have sufficient customers to guarantee each franchisee the amount of monthly cleaning business they purchase. Instead, the lawsuits allege, they breach their contracts by underbidding the amount of time and staffing required for each job, refusing to allow franchisees to inspect cleaning jobs or bid sheets before accepting or rejecting a job, offering geographically inconvenient jobs and unjustly taking jobs from one franchisee to re-sell them to others.

  Jani-King has now been put on the North Carolina Consumer News alert watch for its deceptive business practices, and NC Consumer News will be following complaints and lawsuits being filed against Jani-King very closely.

  Source: http://www.pressreleasepoint.com/janiking-janitorial-franchise-becomes-new-slave-labor-franchise

• SEIU: Well thanks for that SEIU propoganda link and post. I’m sure no one else that is currenlty viewing this site would even bother checking to see who the originator of the “post” was.

  Your so good to your word:; NOW the Question of the WEEK: WHATS NEXT!!!!

• SEIU: Now how about you continue to show your “true colors” Obviously it has been proven without doubt that you have a “vested interest” in the outcome of the cases currently working their way through the system. That’s fine, except honesty is always the best policy even for PROGRESSIVES, LIBRALS and MARXISTS such as you.

  Having said all of that, lets remind our viewing audiance your continued disdain not only for them, but the industry in which they seek to get a portion of their “future earnings” from. “Go clean some toilets”, “I don’t care about these people”, “who cares about the thirty thousand” , “lawsuits are gooooood money”.

  So you don’t like the business, you don’t like the people in the business, you don’t like “common people”, you don’t care about anyone but yourself. You are a disgusting low life and have no business associating yourself with these fine people!!!!!

• Jerry:

  We’ve spent (wasted) a lot of time trying to bring your spelling to a 2nd grade level. Today’s lesson is punctuation, specifically quotation marks.

  Quotation marks are used for exact quotes, and mean that the other person used those exact words.

  For instance, when I quote you as saying “this will be my final posting,” that’s because it’s exactly what you said (right before you posted again).

  Whan I quote your racist remarks like ““Even in California it’s at least ‘taco time’ isn’t it?” and “I was forced to go into the basement and feed/water all of the illegal aliens…” it’s because that’s exactly what you said. Hence the quotation marks.

  Or if I’m referring to exact terms others have used to describe you, such as “a complete tool,” “weirdo,” or “a self-indulged, passive-aggressive, narcissist,” it’s appropriate to use quotation marks.

  When you put things in quotation marks that you just made up and others did not write (“I don’t care about these people”, “who cares about the thirty thousand””.), that is called LYING and BEING DECEPTIVE.

  You know, the same stuff you and your janitorial scam artist colleagues do when you’re extracting the savings account from a hardworking father who heard about the American Dream but not the lowlife scammers like you who prey on the unsuspecting victims who believed in it.

• SEIU: You are a liar, you are someone who doesn’t care, you have proven that over and over again. It is disgusting how you supposidly believe that you are so much more intelligent than everyone else. You won’t admit that you have a “vested” interest. You won’t admit that you and 1st amendment are leading people down a bad or wrong path.

  These people such as “aiwah” in some form or fashion have gone through enough. But the attorneys that you are paying for, people like you who don’t care and others filling these poor people with “pie in the sky” visions, have left these poor plantiffs with a 200K judgement. Whether or not they have the money to pay is beside the point, you have to understand that they’ve gone through years of litigation, statements, hopes, fears, mental and physical stress just to become a “test case”. REALLY!

• SEIU/1st amendment: What’s happening to the two of you, you are both becoming unraveled, are you not getting enough sleep, are you getting the “feedback” from others as to why you are losing trust and more and more “viewers” are questioning your validity.

  How about letting me help you through this. Answer some simple questions from a simple man:

  What about the thirty thousand current owner/operators and what happens to their investment?

  What about “aiwah”, what about his 200K judgement that will send him into bankruptcy?

  What about SEIU (not that one, the other one) why are they paying for your attorneys fees 1st amendment? And why do you hide it?

  SEIU why do you hate people so much? You make fun of regions of the country, people of those regions, their food/drink, you make fun of the commercial cleaning industry as a whole, franchising as well.

• To jerry who lied to everyone on here and said that he would never post or come back again.

  Will you admit that you lied when you said that you would never come back ?

  You said that you would never come back, however your back. Infact you said it twice. Twice you said that you would never come back. You lied, you little lying monkey.

  Remember when you were telling me to sue jan-pro. Remember when you told me to either “put up or shut up”. Remember when you were screaming and jumping up and down and telling me to “sue jan-pro, put up or shut up” remember when you said all of those things to me. You said it to me for quite some time. The whole time I was thinking is this guy nuts when I was already taking legal action and had been a lead plaintiff for two years.

  Finally I was fed up with your monkey dung and I told you to give me your e-mail so that I could e-mail you a copy of the Lawsuit. What happened then is that you felt like a total idiot!

  What did you do next? You did a 360 and started attacking me for taking legal action. That’s why I say that talking to you is like talking to a monkey on crack.

• 1st amendment: What is your problem, you really need a doctor tonight, maybe you and SEIU should take “aiwah” out for drinks tonight. He would appreciate that very much. Right now he’s lonely, Liz and her merry band of attorneys won’t return his phone calls. He has a 200K judgement to pay and no one will even speak with him anymore.

  Why don’t you take your pet monkey with you. Why you are out with SEIU why don’t give him your recent attorneys bill so he can pay that for you. Have you even bothered to answer any of the questions that I’ve posed?

  You know, when you don’t answer the questions, people assume the worst. Are you stil racial profiling all of your “phone calls”? Or is that simply your way of tracking the people you have “pimped for your attorney”.

  Take the night off, regroup, call aiwah, call SEIU and see if “liz and her merry bunch of attorneys are still on your speed dial”.