IS AMWAY A SCAM?

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• Shekhar claims that what the “great Forbes” (his words) has to say about Amway is gospel and defines the credibility of the organization and opportunity.

  In my comment above, I gave direct quotes of Forbes’ reporting of Amway’s attempt to change its name due to its negative reputation, the tools scam, the P&G smear campaign, failed IBOs, and the claim that only 3% of purchases are made by real, unaffiliated customers.

  You’re right Shekhar. People should judge Amway by what Forbes says about it. Here’s what Forbes says about Amway:

  “One must turn outside the world of business – to religion and politics – to find people who work as hard for as little financial reward as most Amway people do.”

  “It has made a very few people very rich while paying its foot soldiers more in inspiration than in cash.”

  “Some Amway people do become affluent, even rich. But not many of them. ”

  “The lion’s share of money earned by Amway distributors is pocketed by 2% of the sales force”

  “As with any army, the recruits are expendable. Nearly half… will drop out in the course of the year.”

  “The average foot soldier doesn’t make much money for his or her efforts.”

  Source: “The Power of Positive Inspiration” Forbes Magazine – December 9, 1991 http://www.amquix.info/forbes_december_9_1991.html

  Shekhar writes: “check your facts, there is no issue dated 8.11.08 as you say!!!!”

  “‘Climb to the Top/ Emily Lambert and Klaus Kneale
  Forbes Magazine dated August 11, 2008”
  http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2008/0811/050.html

  Is Forbes a scam? No. We better take their word for it: Amway makes a few richer and many, many poorer.

• Shekhar:

  You (and ibofightback) try to sound all logical and factual, but people considering joining Amway want to know one thing:

  You joined Amway a year ago. How much $$$ have you made?

  What are your sales? What have you spent in fees, products, tools, etc?

  Simple questions. Answer them.

• Victim,

  I keep repeating myself – there is absolutely no mystery why you call yourself a “Victim”. I missed the article where you claim that I have made inane claims and just because you KNOW that I am telling the truth, you call me names. But this is a free country/world – everyone can have their opinions.

  Why would the “Freaking” Forbes magazine – your words – worry about losing any company as an Advertiser ???? You think you know all about magazines and advertising. Do you think Forbes – which you say report good bad and ugly – should also say AT LEASE SOME GOOD things about the billionaire scamster Madoff – who knows he might advertise in their magazine – right ? if this your logic – dont you think it is SKEWED ? If Forbes has said something good about Amway – admit is VICTIM – they mean it.

  In your logic if A = B and B = C then A = Z!!! (not A = C) This is the difference between intelligent people like you and idiots like me. What is the difference you say, since Amway is made up of members. In your job, everyone is an employee, if you cheat someone, then the company is cheating!!! it is scam!!! Come on!!!

  OK, I made a mistake when I said there is no issue dated 8.11.08. (most likely I was looking for an issue dated 8th Novermber instead). Fine, but Woodward is the scamster and not Amway – example, if you work in a good caompany say ABC. Then you cheat someone of say large amount of money. Does that make YOU a scamster or the company ? Is this logic hard to understand ? Beats me!

  People like you always have one mission – find something remotely negative about Amway and grab that to shout from rooftops that Amway is a scam. Slowly people are realizing that people like you are misguiding them. They are realizing that they are being misinformed and are embracing Amway. That is what is hurting people like you!

  We have given you facts, examples – based on logic and truthful.

  What is the harm in being a “member” ???? I keep repeating my example.
  A celebrity endorses a product. They get paid billions of dollars. where is that money coming from ? Do you seriously think that that money is NOT going for your pocket and that the celebrity is NOT making money from his/her DOWNLINE ??? Are you freaking serious ????

  When you buy stuff at Walmart/Costco, you guys dont bother to ask “who is making money ?” then WHY are you asking this question from Amway ???? Is this logical ? is this fair arguement ? The company shares profits from volume with the people, whereas in YOUR WORLD, the company pays the celebrity. Then you are fine. As long as SOMEONE YOU KNOW is not making money you are good. That is the reason you will remain where you are. This kind of thought process that “If I dont make money that is fine, I love to stay poor but YOU should not make money – that is more important” will keep you a VICTIM.

  Remain a Victim, VICTIM!!

  I choose not to.

  Cheers/Shekhar

• Shekhar:

  Answer guest’s questions.

  – not a victim (formerly victim)

• Shekhar… We’re waiting for your logical, truthful, factual answer.

• Yes, Shekhar. We’re waiting.

• ….. Silence …..

• victim and “guest” – have you ever founded and started a business? If you did, had any of them returned 100% of your investment and started reaching profitability in only a year?

  It’s a rare business that does – even when people are focussed full time on it.

  Why do you think this business should be miraculously different?

  I know the answer – you don’t think it should be miraculously different. You know it takes time to develop a profitable business – you’re not asking such a stupid, ignorant question because you’re stupid or ignorant – you’re asking it in the hope that people ignorant of what’s “normal” in business will read it and think badly of the Amway business. In reality having a business where you’re not spending hundreds or even thousands a month a year after starting is doing very well!

  But I’m sure you knew that.

• We’re still waiting, Shekhar…

  Have you sold anything to anyone but yourself?

  (This is getting embarrassing.)

• I picked up eight new non-IBO customers last month alone. They’ve all expressed delight in the products, two of them have already ordered more things, and three of them have expressed interest in becoming IBOs, two primarily to get the products cheaper …. hmm ….. though …. I guess I should I tell them they can’t join, since anonymous idiots on the internet tell me that if they get the products direct, cheaper, than that would actually make them victims of a scam! Nobody wants to be scammed – clearly they’d be better off paying more and remaining as “real consumers” … right? :-/

• The loss rates for near all Amway IBO’s is not mentioned in the above “positive”
  posts. I was a high level leader in Amway for nearly a decade when I discovered massive fraud and deceptions.

  See http://merchantsofdeception.com/mod/wordpress (global victim statements current through this year from multiple lines of sponsorship in many nations) or http://www.merchantsofdeception.com for reality based details.

  The documentation seems to clearly support that results for for the vast majority of all IBO’s has been that they:

  1) Lose money
  2) Quit or lose more money
  3) Get replaced be a new consumer investor who will also in turn most likely lose their money.
  4). The cycle continues

• Hi guest and Victim.

  Looks like you guys are glued to this blog to learn more and more about Amway and are now cursing yourself for letting this opportunity pass by – like I did in previous 4 attempts. It is still not to late….ha ha.

  Unlike you – we are extremely busy…..

  By the way, I have answered you so many times, when you run out of arguments all you harp on is “how much $$$” – like I said, sorry but none of your business.

  Does that answer you ? Like I said, I am in this biz. Whether you like it or not, whether you are jealous or not, whether you pity me or not, whether you admire me or not…who cares.

  Cheers/Shekhar

• Hi Eric,

  So we have a new entrant in this debate….apparently he is SENIOR by 10 years and has “lost” money….ch…ch…ch……

  Eric, if you read our previous posts, we do not browse the internet sites like the ones you suggested…internet is like a TOILET BULLETIN Board……

  Cheers/Shekhar

• Ibofightback,

  We have a new “guest” Eric, He says he “lost money” ….so now it is convenient to blame Amway right ?

  Guest and Victim (what apt names) want to listen to the likes of Eric, I told them,
  one must listen to people who are successful in their field AS WELL AS they are WILLING to teach you how to succeed in the same field….but no, that does not make sense right. It is very convenient to take advise from your room partners who borrows your milk, does not pay rent on time, shares your car….OR they want to listen to the likes of Eric who on their own accord are a failure.

  Cheers/Shekhar

• That’s Eric Scheibeler, he’s been spamming pretty much everywhere trying to sell his “new” book which is actually an old book he’s been giving away for free for 5 years or something.

  Eric – Amway critics always ask supporters to publish their “financials” – profit and loss statements etc. I’m curious why you never published yours in order to support your claims? Founders Emerald have an average Amway income of over $70,000/yr – what were you spending so much money on to be so unprofitable? What was your business structure? Curious minds would like to know …

  I’m also curious how you managed to get all the way to Pearl and never learn how the Pearl bonus worked? I learned the basics, such as the fact it starts extremely small, in my first LOA training meeting before I’d even joined Amway – yet you say in your book that as a new Pearl you were shocked to see how small the bonus was! How could you have been shocked? Did you really know that little about the Amway compensation plan?

  Just asking ….

• Hi Ibofightback,

  I see…..interesting.

  What I have seen is that there are people who THINK that they can make more money (human beings are avaracious – never satisfied) if they start their OWN SYTESM!!!

  Then when they realize that it is not easy and involves a lot of hard work and investment, they are forced to give it up….that is when they start yelling from roof tops “Amway is a scam and I have lost money”…..well…who asked them to spend money in the first place!!!

  Cheers/Shekhar

• I’m not going to waste a lot of time commenting here but I will say this. A lot of the reason people fail is because they do not have the training and mentorship from awesome coaches. There are 26 training systems in being associated with Amway. There is also being an IBO without the training systems. All I can comment on is the World Wide Dreambuilder training system and it’s an amazing system. With the right coaching and mentorship this can work. Is this easy? NO, I won’t lie about it. It’s not a get rich quick thing, it’s a work your ass off for 2-3 years and then you’ll get your financial independence. Does it cost money? YES. All business cost money however you don’t need a loan or a million dollars to buy into it. Will you loose your shirt? Not sure how you can since there is a 180 day money back on ANYTHING. Are you asked to commit to going to functions? Yeah. Think of it the exact same as going on a business trip to a conference or for training however MUCH cheaper. So really nothing to much different from your regular business just a hell of a lot cheaper with a much greater success rate IF you are willing to put some time in and be honest with yourself.

  There is no real use in fighting with all the other people, this is my opinion this is what i’ve experienced so far in the business.

• iboFightBack wrote: “… less than 1% go on to make any decent income…”

  xpiditonoftruth wrote: “It’s not a get rich quick thing, it’s a work your ass off for 2-3 years and then you’ll get your financial independence. Does it cost money? YES.”

  OK I think I get it. 99% of Amway ibos are the Shekhars of the world, who play entrepreneur by buying and consuming Amway stuff and pretending they have a business. There are 26 “training systems” with names like “World Wide Dreambuilder” that sell them “tools” and sales stuff for the 2-3 years before they run out of steam.

  People who are really good at spinning the hype, like ibofb, keep them on the line by telling them that the 99%+ failure rate is “entirely fair and equitable because less than 1% put in the consistent work over time necessary.” Of course, the Shekars all are willing to put in the time and money – no one tells them they’ve got to have sales and lying talent. 1% of those are good enough liars to rise to the next level and recruit more Shekhars.

  Read through his comments and anyone could see that Shekhar is nothing but an Amway donor. While ibofb is slick and unflappable as Jerry Falwell, Shekhar is transparent and contradicts himself. He has had NO sales after a year of work and is foolish enough to let that be known. I’m sure he has alienated all friends & family who will never buy from him. And he is really really bad at covering his lies (for instance he posts here and elsewhere that he joined Amway in March 2009 Yet he has an Amway blog dated December, 2007 http://cskulkarni.wordpress.com/)

  xpiditonoftruth is not much further along on the financial front. He/she promises financial independence after 3-4 years, while posting whopping checks of as much as $279.00 for a month. Amazing!

  It seems clear that from the masked man iboFightBack’s statements for 99% plus Amway is just a discount buying program for self-purchases and a business for fewer than 1%.

• Another thing that always astounds me about many Amway critics is their incredible arrogance. “guest” here has unilaterally decided to label masses of people “failures” because they haven’t reached some arbitrary definition of “success” that “guest” gets to decide. If somebody joins Amway to get better pricing – and gets exactly that – by what right do you get to judge them a failure?

• ibofightback / xpiditonoftruth,

  Exactly!
  My problem and biggest grouse is that these so-called self-gurus think all “Amway people” are being cheated which is so very far from truth. They also portray themselves as “know-all” and “smart” and trash “That Amway” at any given opportunity!

  Mr “guest”, you call USD 279/- whopping – of course in a derogatory manner (Don’t know WHERE these guys get such figures)!! can you tell me do you get even that kind of money every month from Walmart/Costco ????

  Like I said, whether you like it or not….whether you are jealous or not….whether……you get the point “guest”.

  Cheers/Shekhar

• ibofb you write ““guest” here has unilaterally decided to label masses of people “failures” because they haven’t reached some arbitrary definition of “success””

  If Amway is a consumer buying club, then call it that. CostCo, Sam’s Club, BJs, DirectBuy members aren’t failures because they don’t join with the expectation of “financial freedom.”

  You promote Amway as a route to financial freedom, yet you acknowledge that fewer than 1% even make any money much less reach financial freedom. If 99% started a business venture and didn’t achieve even profitability, then they are failures. Nothing arbitrary about that.

  The IRS states that if an owner does not turn a profit in 3 years, it is not a business… it’s a hobby.

  The thing that amazes me about many pro-Amway people is how they’ve created a mindset in which it’s ok to lie. Amway’s attacked as a biz opp & you say no, it’s a buying club. Restaurant owners with no customers don’t say they’re successful because they get to eat their own inventory for free.

  And Shekhar claims he only joined Amway in March 2009 but started his Amway website in Dec. 2007. Shekhar has given credence to the old joke:

  Q. How can you tell if an Amway salesman’s lying?
  A. His lips are moving

• That was just one check we got that month and I believe in my post I made that clear. There were other bonus checks we got as well.

  Right now with just that one check it pays for my business’s operating costs plus profit. So just on that point alone, that one small cheque my operationsl costs are covered. So I ask the people who say they loose thousands, WHERE? Obviously if you are loosing thousands you are not following the 10 steps of core or listening to your mentors. Which comes down to the part I said about the training system. Where people fail is without the training and mentorship.

  Again like you’ve seen in my blog it’s all MY OPINIONS and FACTS about what i’ve done.

• xpiditonoftruth wrote “That was just one check we got that month and I believe in my post I made that clear. ”

  That’s true, and I was wrong to lump you in with Shekhar. In fact, I respect the fact that you posted the modest check amounts on your blog. And I was wrong to say all Amway people are liars (just, imho, many. Maybe most). You are proof that some people have the fortitude and ethics to provide the reality along with the dreams and hype.

  Unfortunately, xpiditonoftruth, you seem to be in the minority. Commenter Shekhar has been posting here since March about his best friend making $250K a year, 5 couples he knows making $5K+ per month and another friend giving her daughters new BMWs for their 16th birthdays. Yet he lies about how long he has been in and refuses to give any information about HIS sales or expenses. It seems clear that he is his only customer.

  How do people lose thousands? It’s a good question. My guess is that people like Shekhar, who have none of the required sales ability or people skills, are so desperate to believe anyone can do it that they keep buying all the tools and programs that the guys who are making money put in front of them.

  For skilled salespeople like ibofightback, they are easy marks. And people like ibofb openly acknowledge that fewer than 1% will ever make money, but can somehow justify selling to the 99% destined for failure. I am constantly amazed at their ability to justify their own acts of greed. It’s like selling to the retarded or emotionally vulnerable.

• Amway and Enron/Worldcom partners?

  Link: http://www.amquix.info/mickey_mouse_business.html

• Most people who join Amway do not turn a profit. Most people who join Amway and buy the teaching materials and give an honest effort do not make a profit.

  Many uplines are greedy and will tell you that teaching materials are the key to your success. There’s no bonafide evidence that teaching materials help you progress in Amway. That is the scam.

• ibofightback wrote: “As for endorsements, if any company *publicly* partners with another company then it is indeed an endorsement of that company. No company wants to publicly link itself with a disreputable firm. ”

  Go to http://www.amquix.info/mickey_mouse_business.html, scroll to the bottom to see the Enron/Amway partnership brochure.

  Interesting article, too:
  “Even before Amway changed its name to Quixtar, Amway had teamed up with Enron to market electricity…Amway even partnered with MCI/Worldcom to market telephone services. So despite all of Amway’s crack attorneys and due diligence, they still managed to team up with the two companies that were involved in the world’s largest business frauds. So what does that say about distributors’ claims about corporations doing their due diligence? It doesn’t say a whole lot.”

  Enron. Worldcom. Amway. Partners in Integrity.

  (Can’t wait to hear how they spin this one)

• http://www.amquix.info/Amway_abuses.html

• It really is sad that people have to lie, we are building our business on integrity and truths and if you want that you can check my blog out. I’m telling it like it is and boy do I have an uphill battle. Are we the minority? Maybe but we are doing the honest effort and will be successful.

  One point about tools, nobody has ever told us we HAVE to buy tools. There is no mandatory amount you have to spend. What we buy is what we think will help us. Does our upline make suggestions, yes, but they don’t say YOU HAVE TO BUY THIS. I personally think some of the books and digital delivery we’ve purchased is very valuable. And to be honest a lot of it isn’t far off from what I buy at my regular day job. In fact a lot of the books are EXACTLY the same. Does that make the corporation I work for a bunch of tool scamers?

  Anyway I highly encourage people who want to know the truth and a real honest opinion read my blog. I don’t care about traffic or what not, I only care about sharing the truth as I’ve seen it.

• xpiditonoftruth wrote: “It really is sad that people have to lie”

  I agree. I think that most Amway members’ acceptance of deception is why they’ve constantly got to defend the reputation. For years they would lie to people and say that it wasn’t an Amway presentation, then they’d find out it was. Than they tried to say Quixtar wasn’t Amway, but it was. They try to say all these big names endorse them, but they’re just purchasers. And they won’t be honest about the failure rates or earning rates.

  Hey, if it’s really just a buying club and a feel-good entrepreneur’s group that you might make a few bucks off, or pay for your trip to the convention just say so… don’t be dropping references to friends earning $250K doing nothing like this tool Shekhar – and hide the fact you’ve sold nothing.

  I wish you luck, xpiditonoftruth. As for Shekhar and IboFightBack, they seem to have left the building. Figures. Making Amway salesmen like them face the truth is like holding a cross up to a vampire.

• guest,

  Your presumptions and vicious nature is now started getting into my normally jovial nature. You have taken for granted and presumed as you have ALWAYS appeared to have done – especially where Amway is concerned – that we have “left the building”. I am truthful when I told you when I started the biz. But you went to some website and “PRESUMED” and intelligent that you think you are, you put 2 and 2 together – laughing at your ingenuity. I dont owe you any explanation. Like I said, our only endeavor is for people (who must be seeing this blog) the stupidity of people who THINK they know everything and trash Amway – thinking “Oh Yeah, I KNOW – Amway is an MLM, it is a pyramid…..all stupid asusmptions.

  You need not tell us not to “Drop” references. We do not expect you to believe it – it is not meant for you – it is meant for people to see through your vicious nature – “if I dont make money, OK, but YOU should not make money”.

  We are busy people and despite our busy schedule we try to spread cheer and the good word around.

  Again, if you dont like Amway – GOOD because people like us do not want to work with you. Why do you make me repeat….stay where you are….just dont trash Amway OK ?

  Cheers/Shekhar

• Shekhar writes “we try to spread cheer and the good word around”

  No, you spread dishonesty. You claim your best friend makes $250K thru Amway, that you know more than 5 couples that make about $2500 per month, that you know a woman who bought BMWs for her 16 yr old daughters. Yet you refuse to admit that you have worked since 2007 and have not made any money. Why not just be honest and say some, like you, work hard and don’t make a penny.

  Shekhar writes: “I am truthful when I told you when I started the biz. But you went to some website and “PRESUMED” ”

  In your comment above, March 6 2009 you wrote that you just joined Amway.

  Yet this blog about your involvement with Amway is dated December, 2007. http://cskulkarni.wordpress.com/
  Are you seriously saying this is not your blog, that someone else told the same story with the same misspellings and bad grammar and you both sign “Cheers/Shekhar””
  That’s not you? Seriously?

• What is truly scary is how many IBOs will fiercely defend Amway, regardless of whether or not they have enjoyed any success. Secondarily, upline will teach you that you “need” the system to succeed, and success is credited to the system. They then turn around and tell you that any shortcoming is personal responsibility, even if that IBO did everything they were taught.

  Shekhar, if you know of 5 people making 250,000, that’s great. I assume that kind of income is diamond level or higher. Many diamond businesses have 1000 or more people. That means these folks are helping nearly 5000 people to lose money so they can enjoy that success. Do the math. a handfull of successful people with the majority making $10 a month or less. Factor in the cost of functions, voicemail, website fees, standig order and the group suffers tremendous losses.

• For those unfamiliar with Amway acronyms, IBO is short for “I’m Bending Over.”

  ;)

• guest, joecool, “Former victim”,

  guest, like I said, I owe you no explanation. So be quiet.
  I said you have “PRESUMED” and you have! People like you can never bring cheer and spread goodwill about anything. So be prepared to remain what / where you are.

  Joecool, In your last post, you have mentioned “factor in functions, website fees” etc, you make it sound like it is thousands of dollars which it is not. I have not “suffered tremendous losses” as you call it. Whether you believe it or not I dont care.

  Former victim – you will remain a victim – in life and in the job.

  You guys will never understand the biz – and it is good because we want NOTHING to do with the likes of you – maybe Joecool would be a sensible candidate.

  Joecool, you appear to be the coolest of the lot. Was my explanation above so difficult to undersand ? YOu said “That means these folks are helping nearly 5000 people to lose money so they can enjoy that success”. Joecool, whether the “downlines” buy from Amway or from Walmart WHAT is the difference ? So how can we say that the “uplines” are making money from us ??? Did I not explain that when you buy something at Walmart, SOMEONE is making money. Example, do you hear Talk radio ? the guys are selling everything from Freecreditreport, to Gotomymeeting etc…..are you not paying them when you buy one of these things ? Amwy will make sense when something as simple as this sinks in.

  My objective was to make people realize the poison, vicious rumors and the way you trash something without even knowing fully what the heck it is all about.

  I feel my arguments above will suffice. I have no more to say on this topic – and continue to waste time. Unlike you guys, I have a busy schedule and I was stealing time to visit this blog from time to time.

  Hopefully some folks will see thru your false rumors and make a difference in their lives.

  You guys have a job and so do I – but I have SOMETHING additional which you donot have and THAT folks is the basic difference.

  Cheers and wishing you Happy Holidays.
  Adios.

  Shekhar

• Shekhar,

  I know that website fees, standing order and function might cost $150 a month or so. But these materials are often the main profit center for some upline. Yourupline not only gets a cut from your volume, but then they also make a significant income from the tools. Technically your sponsor is supposed to train you for free. And it certainly dispels the myth about upline not profiting until you succeed.

  A diamond with say 1000 “active” downline might make $100,000 a month (1000 x 100) while earning significantly less from Amway. And the tools money is secretive. Have you seen a written tools contract? I bet not.

  The difference between WalMart and Amway is that Walmart is has cheaper products and Walmart doesn’t tell you that you can be welthy by shoppwing at Walmart and Walmart doesn’t sell you materials to teach you how to shop at Walmart.

• Why is it that when you do the research the average monthly income for 98 % of the personal IBO owners is 80.00 per month its only the top 2 % that is making more then 80.00 Per month per Nightline’s report a pretty creditable source like the was. Post! I have been pitch Amway by several different people and every time I ask someone to show me the proof there making money I get 100 different excuses why they will not. I am a show me type of person if ONE person that is telling me how great Amway is , could show me a pay check stub on there income made by selling Amway then watch out all aboard I will go 100 % all in!!!!! I will bust my but to make it happen but after 6 diffent people that have not shown me any results I am a little nervous about drinking the cool aid! Also Every time I ask question I am being negative and not chasing the dream…… Questions do not = Negative it’s just someone that wants the facts before they invest? Do most people do research and ask qu estions on a job interview????? Then why would you not ask question about something you’re putting you name and your family involved in like they would expect you to?

• Jack,

  They won;t show you because they aren;t making any money. Only a fraction of 1% make any serious money in Amway. What many IBOs will do is wave around a copy of a check from their upline. Even a check is not proof of success because of business expenses. There are diamonds losing their homes to foreclosure and a prominent diamond in bankruptcy proceedings as we speak. Do the math and you can see. The average diamond, according to Amway, earns $147,000. Take out taxes and medical insuarnce premiums for the family and that income is already cut in half. The factor in the fact that much of that $147,000 comes in the form of annual bonuses and you can see that a diamond might be living on less than $4000 a month.

  It is only the secretive tools business income that allows diamonds to portray a wealthy lifestyle. But even at that it can be smoke and mirrors as even a half million dollar a year income cannot buy you mansions and jets in cash.

• Where were all the Amway devotees when I was trying to unload my Curves. Hell, they would have bought Howie’s speechs, hook-line and sinker. Shekar, you could have had my club for next to nothing and with your expectations of not making money for up to five years, you are the perfect Curves franchisee.

• OK guys. I am not back here to present my views (I have already done it above). So please do NOT respond to this post – I have no intention of joining the debate again. Just check these things out:
  – What you call scam is sponsoring Miss USA 2010!.
  – Best Buy has joined what YOU call a scam.
  – check this:
  http://moneywatch.bnet.com/career-advice/blog/other-8-hours/why-you-should-join-amway/919/?tag=content

  Thank you for not joining what you call a scam and for HELPING others NOT to join. Lastly, thank you for trying your best to prove how I am involved in what you call a scam. But let me assure you, I am HAPPY with what you call a scam.

  Cheers/Shekhar

• “Best Buy has joined what YOU call a scam.”

  What does that mean that Best Buy has joined Amway?

  I saw something that says they are partnering with Amway and are partner stores.

  Does that mean they are going to sell Amway products in Best Buy stores?

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• Amway is a scam, and here’s why: Amway pays out as little money as they can get away with, so they support the higher level IBOs ripping off their downline via the tool scam.

  As a result, about 99% of IBOs operate at a net loss, while the top 1% make several TIMES more from their Amway tool scam than from the Amway products.

  Read about it on my blog, I suggest you start here and forward the information to everyone you know, so they don’t get scammed.

• Tex:
  Perhaps you could explain what you mean by “tool scam”?
  Brief overview perhaps?

• Anon,

  I already did on my original post, and you can view my site for additional details. If you’re still not sure, let me know when you can call a conference number that doesn’t cost you anything except normal long distance charges, and you can keep your number confidential.

• Tex sounds like a broken record, or a stupid parrot.

• The truth is usually simple. Those who post as Anonymous are usually stupid. LOL

• And someone posting at Tex is always stupid?

• Guys,
  I had resolved not to waste time with you guys here….but cannot resist this last time.

  All the negative posts here are without foundation (Amway should sue these guys here – one day they might) and ARE FALSE AND TOTAL LIES! I was surpirsed someone said Diamonds are earning 4000 after tax and that their houses are getting foreclosed. Do you know the truth or does that make you jealous so you want to be happy with ignorance ???? Why diamonds, even pins much much lower are making much more than you would like to know !!! STOP THE LIE!

  HOW MUCH LIES AND VENOM guys ? How much ? You want to call me names? go ahead…..if that makes you happy. But STOP SPREADING LIES.

  You think you are doing a service to people by badmouthing Amway???

  People, get wise, do you want to listen to broke people spreading lies or think and make your own decision.

  Cheers and ADIOS to this post.

  IF YOU FIGHT WITH A PIG…..BOTH GET DIRTY….AND THE PIG LOVES IT!!!!!

• Thank you Shekhar for the “Adios”.