IS AMWAY A SCAM?

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• Shekhar,

  Amway knows EXACTLY who I am, and they can’t sue me (and win), because what I say is TRUE. Same with the LCKs. They sue/threaten to sue people who made very minor comments, but they won’t touch me and others who state facts, particularly ATS (Amway Tool Scam) facts. The fact that I have discussed the LCKs and their ATS for almost 5 YEARS, with ZERO complaint is virtual PROOF what I write is true.

  The “Diamonds” losing their homes are no longer qualified Diamonds, they merely wear the pin they earned a long time ago. The ATS has propped them up every since, but you can’t keep it going when very few people are paying into it.

  Yes, I am DEFINITELY doing a service by warning others about the ATS. That isn’t badmouthing, that is telling the truth.

  You’re not wise, you are misguided. Stop your tapespeak and WAKE UP!!!

• Tex says that “The fact that I have discussed the LCKs and their ATS for almost 5 YEARS, with ZERO complaint is virtual PROOF what I write is true.”

  More likely it’s proof that no one takes Tex seriously and he isn’t a threat to them. I’m an outsider investigating this opportunity. When I asked him to explain what he meant by “tool scam” instead of answering he said go to his website (which is a confusing hodgepodge) and offered a personal conference call (bizarre). He seems more interested in trading barbs and insults than truly informing and warning.

  Merchants of Deception guy was willing to put in some serious time writing a book, but I find the info so out of date it doesn’t seem that relevant.

  On the other hand, Amway supporters like ibofightback represent the pro-Amway point of view rationally and point to informative, serious, factual websites that easily marginalize critics like Tex as crackpots.

• More likely it’s proof that no one takes Tex seriously and he isn’t a threat to them. —- No, that isn’t likely at all. Why would the LCKs (Lying Cowardly “Kingpins”) sue someone making a comment about a painting in Ada being changed to replace the ex-wife with the currrent wife, and nothing is said when I call them LCKs? Or sue them over the details of the leave-behind information unique to a particular LOS?

  I’m an outsider investigating this opportunity. When I asked him to explain what he meant by “tool scam” instead of answering he said go to his website (which is a confusing hodgepodge) and offered a personal conference call (bizarre). He seems more interested in trading barbs and insults than truly informing and warning. —- If I offered a personal conference call, how is that NOT “truly informing and warning?” Personalized service, and live, without the misunderstandings often found on forums/blogs. If the website is confusing to you, what better way to explain it than a simple telephone call?

  Merchants of Deception guy was willing to put in some serious time writing a book, but I find the info so out of date it doesn’t seem that relevant. —- It may be older information, but until the tool prices and travel costs come down significantly, it is still applicable.

  On the other hand, Amway supporters like ibofightback represent the pro-Amway point of view rationally and point to informative, serious, factual websites that easily marginalize critics like Tex as crackpots. —- ibofb dodges the REAL business questions, but he did succeed pulling the wool over YOUR eyes. I am neither pro or con, just the facts.

• Tex writes “Why would the LCKs (Lying Cowardly “Kingpins”) sue someone making a comment about a painting in Ada being changed to replace the ex-wife with the currrent wife, and nothing is said when I call them LCKs?”

  Tex, it’s kind of sad to see someone trying so hard to get an angry reaction from a company and the only reaction he gets is laughter and mockery. They don’t sue you because they are too busy laughing at you.

  Why don’t you clearly explain the tool scam, how it works, right here so even outsiders can understand? Maybe with minimal acronyms, insider-speak and references to paintings. Then maybe you’ll earn an audience for your blog and even your conference calls. And you won’t be such an easy target for the their ridicule.

• Tex, it’s kind of sad to see someone trying so hard to get an angry reaction from a company and the only reaction he gets is laughter and mockery. They don’t sue you because they are too busy laughing at you. —- Nice try, but this makes no sense. Why would they sue over a minor issue mentioned online, but be silent when a major issue is mentioned online? LOL

  Why don’t you clearly explain the tool scam, how it works, right here so even outsiders can understand? Maybe with minimal acronyms, insider-speak and references to paintings. Then maybe you’ll earn an audience for your blog and even your conference calls. And you won’t be such an easy target for the their ridicule. —- Here’s a summary, feel free to ask questions, so I can expand on the requested area of confusion:

  Amway is a scam, and here’s why: Amway pays out as little money as they can get away with, so they support the higher level IBOs ripping off their downline via the tool scam.

  As a result, about 99% of IBOs operate at a net loss, while the top 1% make several TIMES more from their Amway tool scam than from the Amway products.

  Read about it on my blog, I suggest you start here: http://tiny.cc/D5oJh and forward the information to everyone you know, so they don’t get scammed.

• If you, like me, don’t already know what the Amway “tool scam” is don’t bother with Tex’s site. He continues to refer to the Tool Scam but never explains or defines it. The random powerpoint slides seem intentionally designed to confuse and bore.

  As far as I can tell, the tool scam involves selling screwdrivers, hammers and drills and not getting commissioned on them.

  Take my word for it, Tex, you’re not getting sued because you actually make it easy for them to dismiss critics. You don’t even make IBOFBs Guide to Amway critics. But keep at it and maybe some day you’ll achieve your dream of being sued by Amway. Good luck.

• Anon,

  Even though I asked you to ask questions if anything didn’t make any sense, you didn’t do that. However, you did bring up some issues that point to obvious areas of lack of knowledge.

  The ATS (Amway Tool Scam) is the hidden profits the various “tools” create, and include CDs, books, various meetings, web sites, voice mail, etc., that create several times more profit for Emeralds and above than Amway products do. It is important to note the upline promotes making money from the Amway products, but “forgets” to mention (aka – lies about the real business model) most of the profit comes from the above tools.

  In addition, any information (tool) shown to a prospect MUST be Amway approved, so it isn’t reasonable for IBOs to reject the tools, nor is it reasonable for IBOs to use some tools and not others, the rules are far too complex to expect a new IBO to come to this conclusion.

  To top it all off, most IBOs below Platinum, which makes up about 99% of all IBOs, operate at a net loss, thanks to the above described ATS.

  They aren’t suing me because it is easy for them to dismiss me, they aren’t suing me because I am relating FACTS, and they don’t want to bring more attention to the ATS.

  I don’t make ibofb’s list because he is running scared, and he doesn’t want to bring more attention to me.

  Does this help?

• Tex is a forum troll. He has posted in so many forums about his “tools scam”. He even went on a rampage posting his tools scam ad nauseum on blogs completely unrelated to Amway. Tex likes to repeat over and over the same things.

  I actually agree with Tex that Amway is not a good opportunity for most because the compensation is not fair for most who are involved. While the tools may or may not be as significant or not, it is unnecessary for Tex to invade all of these blogs to encourage people to call him or to turn the focus of the dicussion to the “tools scam”.

  Tex isn’t being sued because the parties involved are rolling on the floor laughing. In fact, they are probably happy that Tex dvierts and makes these blogs look stupid with his rantings so prospects don’t see the rational reasons why or why they shouldn’t get involed in Amway.

• Tex:
  Yes, that helps.
  Thanks

• Peter,

  Tex is a forum troll. He has posted in so many forums about his “tools scam”. He even went on a rampage posting his tools scam ad nauseum on blogs completely unrelated to Amway. Tex likes to repeat over and over the same things. — Would you like some cheese with that whine? LOL

  I actually agree with Tex that Amway is not a good opportunity for most because the compensation is not fair for most who are involved. While the tools may or may not be as significant or not, it is unnecessary for Tex to invade all of these blogs to encourage people to call him or to turn the focus of the dicussion to the “tools scam”. —- As I want the ATS (Amway Tool Scam) shut down, I will do whatever it takes to draw attention to it.

  Tex isn’t being sued because the parties involved are rolling on the floor laughing. In fact, they are probably happy that Tex dvierts and makes these blogs look stupid with his rantings so prospects don’t see the rational reasons why or why they shouldn’t get involed in Amway. —-WRONG. If the LCKs are willing to sue over extremely minor issues posted online, they (the LCKs or Amway) would sue me in a heartbeat with the content on my site, if it were untrue. Prospects probably don’t understand all the details, they can ask if they want, or be scared off by the ATS facts.

• Like the title of this thread reads. Tex and Amway are a scam and they are annoying.

• How am I a scam? All I’m doing is telling the truth. The truth may be annoying to some, educational for others, but either way, the truth is the truth.

• Tex:: You speak TRUTH and you are attacked. When you read the article in Google “History of Pyramid Schemes and MLM — Network Marketing” you see how the FTC legalized Amway’s scheme.

  Just as the FTC has legalized the franchise schemes where churning and encroachment fill in the bottom of the pyramid, as needed. What is the difference between a legal and an illegal pyramid scheme — who knows? Maybe it all depends on whom you know!

• Tex obviously doesn’t understand the difference between an opinion and the truth.

• Paul,

  What have I said that is opinion, and not truth?

  Why do you constantly make unsupported charges?

• Paul: Why don’t you tell us the difference beween opinion and the truth!

  In 1979, the FTC legalized the Amway MLM scheme —this is a fact. Tex knows the original scheme is legal and harms lots of innocents and he provides FACTS concerning the ATS with the hope that people will smarten up.

  There is a PhD, Dr. Taylor, who has tried to expose the MLM schemes for many years with TRUTH about MLM’s. Read his article Opportunity Lost: the Legacy of the Amway Ruling http://www.mlm.thetruth.com/ftc_blunder.htm

• Carol,

  Actually, I don’t consider any of the other posters as “attacking” me, they are mere pesky gnats!

  In fact, it is well known the LCKs will sue over minor issues (lies), yet they are silent when I repeatedly call them the LYING COWARDLY “KINGPIN” tool scammers that they are, because:

  1. They know they won’t win a lawsuit, as I am telling the truth, and
  2. They don’t want to draw additional attention to their ATS (Amway Tool Scam).

  Amway won’t sue for the same reason, even though I consider all of them LCKs as well.

  Therefore, when I speak the truth, I am NOT attacked.

  I don’t know enough about the franchise laws/law enforcement, so I won’t comment on that issue, I defer to you.

  However, the FTC has never looked at the ATS. When the UK government did, they outlawed it. That’s the facts, so until/unless someone can bring other information to the discussion, the facts stand. Period.

• Carol,

  You’re right about the 1979 FTC ruling, the FTC did declare Amway’s MLM legal. However, the FTC did NOT include the ATS in their ruling. As noted above, the UK government DID look at the ATS, and declared it illegal.

  I don’t agree with most of what Taylor says, he is a VERY confused man. There are much better sources of information than him.

  I couldn’t get your link to work.

• Almost everyone knows that upline profits from tools. How is it a scam if everyone knows about it and participates because they think they will benefit from it?

  Where Tex is wrong is that the tools are a scam because they do not produce results. If mostly everyone went diamond, then these folks wouldn;’t mind paying $5 for a cd or $100 for FED or whatever function is going on.

• Obviously, because everyone thinks that they will someday be upline and profit from tools —they see the carrot — and by the time they find out it is just an illusion, it is too late! — or something like that. Those on the top of the MLM’s know a lot about human nature and how to work it.

  Just like franchising —-Once they are sucked in because there is no true disclosure required concerning performance of past and present participants in the MLM, it is to late. Been Had! So Sad! Courtesy of the FTC!

• Paul,

  Almost everyone knows that upline profits from tools. —- Do they know HOW MUCH? Do they realize the profit and other practices will keep them from having a net profit until they reach Platinum? Do they realize once they reach Platinum, they will have 75-150 IBOs in their downline, most of whom are operating at a net loss? I doubt it, Paul. THAT’S why the UK outlawed the ATS, Paul. Get a clue, Paul.

  How is it a scam if everyone knows about it and participates because they think they will benefit from it? —- See above, Paul.

  Where Tex is wrong is that the tools are a scam because they do not produce results. —- Of course the tools don’t produce results, except for the upline LCKs. They get rich off the tool scam. The reason the tools don’t work for the downline is not because the tool content is poor, the high prices cause tremendous churn, or turnover, as IBOs go broke and drop out, only to be replaced by other IBOs, who continue the process.

  If mostly everyone went diamond, then these folks wouldn;’t mind paying $5 for a cd or $100 for FED or whatever function is going on. —- It is impossible for “everyone” to go diamond, as hundreds of new IBOs are needed for every new diamond. You aren’t thinking the process through, the point is the business model, because of the ATS, produces 99% of IBOs operating at a net loss, and 1% double dipping with the Amway and ATS profit. If all existing IBOs went diamond, the same ratio is maintained. It really isn’t difficult, complex math.

• Carol,

  Obviously, because everyone thinks that they will someday be upline and profit from tools —they see the carrot — and by the time they find out it is just an illusion, it is too late! — or something like that. Those on the top of the MLM’s know a lot about human nature and how to work it. —- Most IBOs don’t realize the upline makes most of their profit from the ATS, and most IBOs don’t realize they won’t operate at a net profit until they reach Platinum. If hey did, most would quit!

  Just like franchising —-Once they are sucked in because there is no true disclosure required concerning performance of past and present participants in the MLM, it is to late. Been Had! So Sad! Courtesy of the FTC! —- I agree, and have contacted the FTC on several occasions to look at Amway again, and this time include the ATS, just like the UK did, and declared the ATS illegal. I believe there are 3 factors why the FTC hasn’t done this, in order of importance:

  1. Incompetence
  2. Bureaucracy
  3. Political Influence

• Tex:

  You indicate that you don’t agree with Dr. John Taylor who with his Consumer Awareness Instuitute seems to be trying to combat “white collar crime” and expose the MLM’s.

  He has excellent credentials and it appears that you share the same goals of warning about the general unprofitability of MLM’s for those on the bottom of the pyramid. Where are you in disagreement? What is your goal? What is his goal, in your opinion?

  What do you think about his article “Despite the Amway Ruling, De Facto or Markiet Saturation is Very Real.” (I disagree strongly with his statement, i.e. In franchising, strict limits are placed on territories covered to protect against de factor saturation of the marketplace” because, of course, this is not true because churning and encroachment is encouraged under state and federal regulation and the adhesory franchise agreements.)

• You indicate that you don’t agree with Dr. John Taylor who with his Consumer Awareness Instuitute seems to be trying to combat “white collar crime” and expose the MLM’s. —-> Taylor is putting the focus on the FTC declared LEGAL aspect of the Amway MLM and taking the focus off the unethical, immoral, and ILLEGAL aspect of the ATS (Amway Tool Scam). All he does is causes confusion, and the ATS marches on.

  He has excellent credentials and it appears that you share the same goals of warning about the general unprofitability of MLM’s for those on the bottom of the pyramid. Where are you in disagreement? What is your goal? What is his goal, in your opinion? —-> He doesn’t know what he’s talking about, he is using his title to speak of which he doesn’t have a clue. I’ve BEEN an Amway IBO, I’ve SEEN what happens, so when others say similar things, I KNOW what they’re talking about. I don’t operate in Taylor’s world of theory and goal to make money off an opinion based entirely on an erroneous theory, not experience. You and Taylor have failed to separate the legitimate Amway product business from the ATS. Why should those “on the bottom of the pyramid” be making millions of dollars?

  What do you think about his article “Despite the Amway Ruling, De Facto or Markiet Saturation is Very Real.” (I disagree strongly with his statement, i.e. In franchising, strict limits are placed on territories covered to protect against de factor saturation of the marketplace” because, of course, this is not true because churning and encroachment is encouraged under state and federal regulation and the adhesory franchise agreements.) —-> I didn’t read his article, he’s a waste of time. From the standpoint of Amway being saturated in the U.S., I agree, because it hasn’t grown in several years. However, this doesn’t mean new people aren’t being ripped off, because the ones who drop out after being ripped off by the ATS are replaced with new ones.

• Tex sounds like a broken record parroting the same old story time and again.

• John IBO,

  The reason I sound like a broken record is because the ATS (Amway Tool Scam) run by the LCKs (Lying Cowardly “Kingpins”) has been ripping off IBOs using the same old techniques for several decades. The abuse hasn’t changed, why should the reporting of it change?

• What makes you think you have the right to invade and take over people’s blogs saying the same thing over and over, post after post? Make your comment and leave it at that.

• What makes you think you have the right to invade and tell me not to “take over” people’s blog saying the same thing over and over, post after post? Make your comment and leave it at that. LOL

• I have the right because you are a dumbo.

• Where is Shekhar?

  Perhaps he can give us an update on what his monthly sales and profits are with his Amway business!

  What do you think the odds are that Shekhar is still pouring time and money into Amway?

• John,

  Go flush yourself, you turd.

• Haha, whatsa matter texie? Did I hit a nerve? Go screw yourself. Haha

• Not at all, in fact I just got off the phone with a lawyer who won the recent Federal court case to move the class action lawsuit forward in court, not in Amway’s “unconscionable” arbitration process. LOL

• Hey Not a Victim,

  After reading reading this entire topic, I literally busted out laughing when I read your comment below.

  I almost forgot about Mr. Shekhar. Maybe he’s busy cleaning his Ferrari with Amway car care products… LMAO

  “Not a Victim on May 4th, 2010 9:16 pm

  Where is Shekhar?

  Perhaps he can give us an update on what his monthly sales and profits are with his Amway business!

  What do you think the odds are that Shekhar is still pouring time and money into Amway?”

• I put the odds at about 50%. The other 50% is he quit. LOL

• I always wonder what are the percentage of the MLM “business owners” who are actually making a living out of it… 5 percent ? 10 percent ??? And the ratio of winners to losers … 1 to 1000 ? All these numbers and figures have to be pre-computed for the company to maintain payroll. MLM companies should disclose these figures to anyone who intends to sign up. Did I mention lottery tickets ?!

• Less than 1%. The rest are being ripped off via the ATS (Amway Tool Scam).

• It is not a scam. It is a way to do business with low cost and low risk. With that being said, the chances to succeed are also low. Less than 1% is correct.

  But if you open up your own business, 98% fail in the first year and the 2% who are left, only 1% break even after 3 years.

  Just like a business, MLM companies are also tough to make money in. Think about it, if it were that easy that the whole world would be in Amway and everyone would be a millionaire. Nothing comes easy, but if you work at it and stay persistent, it eventually pays off at the end.

  Just analyze and be logical and try to make money instead of spending it. My father is a the biggest networrker in the Middle East. I am also following his footsteps in North America. The key is to leave your family and friends alone, they are not your customers. Customers are people that you can exploit to earn income, and if you are exploiting your family and friends, then you need to reconsider what you are doing.

  To be scucessful, pick the main product that you like and market it. Instead of buying CD’s, Dvd’s, books and god knows what, buy the one product that you think is really good and market that for double the price.

• Pardon my grammatical errors above.

• MG, you have been fed lies by your upline. 98% of businessed do not fail in 3 years. Not according to the SBA.. On the other hand, more than 99% of IBOs fail. Amway might be low risk, but it’s even lower on success.

• amyway is a great business i have been in for 2yrs and the result is great i have reached platium in the business won a free trip all expense pay with my family to disney my monthly salary is 10000.00 i have recently been honoured at a banquet recieve a sterling crystal plaque i am doing great with this business i could provide a lifestyle for my daughter i could go and shop and take up an item and not worrying about the price next yr march i am going to visit bill gates home
  on a trip with my family all expwnse pay by amyway…to shekar a word of advice don’t let anyone or anything shattered you dream….these people have no goal and dream they will continue to live paycheck to paycheck and not have a lifestyle thanks amyway….for making a happy person..

• Trissh:

  Are you stripping for the CEO to make $10,000 a month? For an honored sales woman your grammar is unfortunate and you sound uneducated…wait… it sounds like a new Amway sales pitch.

  I dropped out of school and dropped into Amway.

  I use to be all messed up on drugs now I’m all messed up on Amway.

  A company so good it’s bad!

  I think, therefore I “Am-Way” stupid!

  Anymore…?

• Trissh is lying. Platinums don’t make $10k/month, whether it is net or gross profit. Also, Amway pays a commission, not salary. I suspect the Bill Gates comment is a lie as well.

• I have read through the entire blog the past 7 hours and read through some of the links that you guys have posted. I have no idea whether or not this post is still alive, but I have some questions. I understand the gyst of things regarding Amway. Obviously, there are many sides to the story without name calling. Amway could provide a secondary income (a very slim chance) to those who actually are willing to work their butts off for this company. I understand the “recommended” training they must go through, and the years of hard work they are “recommended” to put in before they can be expected climb up the ladder. I am aware that a lot of this “training products” are related to the Amway Tool Scam, in which tools are sold to IBOs in order to profit the higher ups without providing much help to the newbies.
  My question is simply regarding this ladder system though. I have personally come to the conclusion that, Amway as a business is not a scam. If I am correct, it provides people with an opportunity to start their own business at relatively affordable costs. However, like any business one must pull in a lot of the efforts and is never guaranteed any financial success. Some people can marginalize this deficit by making excuses like joining for the sake of discounts, but ultimately, it provides a relatively low-risk/low-success rate way of gaining financial independence. If I am wrong in any of these statements, please correct without defaming. I’m just asking for clarifications, not hot-headed opinions.

  Anyways, with regards to my original question…
  How exactly does the ladder system work. In one of the earlier posts, there was a link to Amway wiki and I’ve tried to read through the ladder system. But I have no idea what it’s actually saying. To make silver level you have to make 21% level? I get most of it after that. Pretty much remaining constantly at this level for about 2 years get you up to some certain level. And the higher levels require you to have “legs” or more downline (or is this harder to reach?) -I’m assuming- that must make this 21% level. Can someone clarify:
  1.) What is this 21% level?
  2.) What are the chances of making this 21% level for a startup?
  3.) How long would it take on average to get to this 21%?
  4.) How hard is it (I guess that depends on what the 21% is)?
  5.) What are “legs?” (you need 3 legs that does silver level to qualify as a Pearl)
  I guess my logic is, since the entire ladder system is based on this initial silver level and how consistent you can be with it, the level of difficulty regarding the silver level is what really matters…

  Thanks to anyone who can help with this info…
  And really really. I am very curious if Shekhar ever wants to rejoin the post, how he is faring. For the love of truth only, I for one won’t judge if he failed, or quit and will be happy if he ended up succeeding after 2 years… or 4 years if the loose assumptions based on the 2007 post were true. I earnestly want to know the truth regarding the process. And to tex, I have read and understood your thoughts and facts on the Amway Tool Scam and am convinced that the tools are a way to give money to higher ups; but logically, I’m sure those who succeeded in Amway used some of these tools. For a fact, not all who use them end up with any success and usually end up in a deficit, but my question to you would be… Are there any good tools that you know of. My guess would be that there are so many tools recommended and put up on the Amway bookstore/cd/lecture “store” that most start ups have no idea which ones to buy. So they end up buying into massive amounts of resources without really learning much.

  But to those who succeeded, which resources did you use? Do mentors really provide all that you need to succeed in Amway? I’m sure most resources out there are useless. But are there any “diamonds in the rough?”

  I don’t want this to turn into another debate… I’m sure anyone who is curious can get the gyst of the debate from the above 20 pages worth of comments.

  Thanks in advance

• IC,

  I’ve found plenty of value in tools I’ve purchased, and never had any problem with the fact that the people who make and sell them make money from it. That’s normal business. I believe all the companies that produce tools have a recommended startup sets.

  In response to your questions –
  (1) 21% is the maximum volume rebate (think of it as a volume discount) for most Amway markets, calculated monthly. North America actually goes up to 25%. The actual volume required to qualify for it also varies between markets. In most markets it’s 10000 points, in some it’s 7500 points.
  (2) chance has very little to do with it. I am yet to meet a single person who did what our group recommends to reach that volume and *didn’t* reach it. I’ve also seen ad hoc surveys done at seminars of thousands of people with exactly the same result.
  (3) 6-12 months of consistently working seems to be the approximate time frame.
  (4) The work itself is not hard, as long as your psychologically prepared (as in all “sales” types of businesses) to accept that the vast majority of people you attempt to “sell” the business or products to will not be interested. Most people find that difficult. It’s also extremely difficult for most people (including myself) to consistently maintain the focus required for 6-12 months. While the work itself is not hard, and not particularly time consuming, it is usually added on to everything else in your life, the sum total of which makes it difficult to maintain consistency
  (5) Each person you personally sponsor is the start of a “leg”. When a leg reaches 21% there is no longer any profit margin for you (ie you and they are bothing getting the same volume rebate). In traditional business if you were a wholesaler and selling to someone who qualified to deal direct with your supplier, you’d then lose them as a customer. Amway operates differently and starts to add in new bonuses/commissions. As you develop more 21% teams, additional bonuses come in to play

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• Do not trust ibofb. He is a known liar, has a huge ego, and is dishonest to the core.

  I have also found the tools to have good information, but they are too expensive. There’s a reason why the UK almost kicked Amway out of their country in 2008, and why ZERO tool profit is allowed. There is a reason why the Amway rules in India have maximum tool prices, which are about 1/5 of what we pay for in the U.S. The reason is to shut down the Amway Tool Scam, the biggest issue Amway faces.

• I submitted a response yesterday, and it appears the links have kept it in moderation status.

  TEX: We don’t allow posting of email addresses or other personal contact information in the comments. Also, there’s no need to post links to your site as your name already links to your url. Thanks for helping to build the conversation here.

• I really do pity these Amway “associates”. To be honest ladies and gents, I don’t think arguing with them will alter their mindset. They need this to make them selves feel better because it’s their only opportunity. Talking about starting your own business… why don’t you just sell your own products.

  All you Amwamites or whatever your cult title is (plutonium eradium level maybe?) need to look at your self in the mirror and ask “AM I MAKING MONEY?”

  If you are, then shit, do work guys and gals. Sell the fugget out of shampoo and detergent because you’re good at it.

  IF YOU ARE NOT. Shut the fugget up on all these useless bantering on working hard and BS because you just made your upline money and you’re on this message board on your 200$ laptop because you invested in the CEO’s private plane.

  You waste your life in this pathetic company with a mistaken reputation. Even If I was making money in this scheme, I would never want to represent Amway for sheer RESPECT of myself

• Motfool (any significance in your name? – let us see:)

  I have been getting these posts off and on and have been looking at it once in a while. Anyone comes, trashes the Corporation! I think, it is a mistake to keep silent and let the dogs bark. Sometimes, the barking becomes unbearable!
  Motfool, it is EXACTLY because of people like you that there are millions out there who are deprived of a fantastic opportunity – to be in a business for yourself at practically no cost! You RESPECT yourself you say? It is evident you are mistaking “respect” with ignorance!! What respect are you talking about? Scaring good people out there? You guys are a “Fear mongers”. You work like donkeys for the rest of your lives, and yell “I have been cheated by an Amway guy” even when you hear the name Amway.

  You “motfool”, you say “you just made your upline money and invested in CEO’s private plane? do you know the facts man (or a woman!):

  1) Every year people like you INCREASE the Walmart business by a few
  BILLIONS.
  2) During the recession, you increased their business by 10 BILLIONS.
  Do you UNDERSTAND the significance of this you motfool?

  Do you think Walmart/Target give you products FREE of cost? Then WHY do you say I made money for my upline?

  Argument with people like you wastes our time…but it is getting too much!

  People like you are such:
  – Its OK if someone ELSE makes money!
  – But NO ONE from my friends and family should make any money!

  People like you scare away innocent and hardworking people who would make a fortune in this business.

  I make “upline” money??? do you know the facts (again?):
  – When I learn how to make USD 2600 PER MONTH,
  my upline gets paid USD 800/-
  – People out there do not know (thanks to you) that my upline is HELPING
  me all the time! He has invested a whole lot in my success.
  – So should I be sad that he is making 800 or happy that I am making 2600!

  Stop badmouthing something you know NOTHING ABOUT!!!

  Let me give you examples of people like you:
  – You go to college.
  – Out of “SELF RESPECT”, you do not study but enjoy the heck out of the college time.
  – When you fail, you scream the “College is bad” “It is a scam”.,
  – You work, your spouse works, between the two of you you make 150 to 200K a year. so you are flying high.
  – Come recession and then you fall down to earth and work at gas stations.
  – Working at gas stations is “SELF RESPECTING” than selling “Shampoo” you have said.

  Dont ask me how much I make, none of your goddamn business! If you like it you are welcome to the biz if not, then go back to where you are!!

  What we do?

  Let Winners win. and Losers lose!!

  Take care you motfool.

• Shekhar,

  You need to learn more about the Amway business. [del]

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