My wife and I had owned and operated our own business for over 20 years and had been very successful at doing so. While we were making a great income from our business there was something missing in our life. Neither us felt that we were contributing to society but just taking and we decided to make a major change in our life. That was when we heard about Curves for Women. It was a new franchise that only had 300 or so clubs and for the first time in years we both became excited at the prospect of actually helping people reach their goals. We bought our first club in 1997 located in a city of thirty thousand. From the first day it opened it was more successful than our wildest dreams. Not only were we making excellent money but the personal rewards helping people better their lives was a truly rewarding feeling. I can still remember as if it was yesterday the first time a Dr. of one of our members came in to check out what we were doing as he couldn’t believe the ch
We sold our first club in 2001 and bought two more franchises. My wife became a mentor for Curves International around this time and I was helping to sell franchise for Curves International as so many of are members wanted to own a club. It was at this time that we started to see problems arising with Curves International but we attributed it to the fast growth that Curves was going through. In 2002 we bought two more franchises but this time they were in what was called a metro-area instead of city under thirty thousand in population.
The first problem we encountered with Curves International was in early 2003. Curves sold a franchise that was a corridor of land between one of our franchise’s and the next city 8 miles from our southern boarder. It was obvious to us that the territory didn’t have the necessary population to support a facility and that Curves International was selling any location just out of greed and the fact that there were so many people who wanted a franchise. The people who bought that franchise tried to open up on our border but it had always been an unwritten but followed rule of Curves International that you open in the middle of your territory so that disputes between owners over stealing members from your territory didn’t arise. We immediately filed a complaint with Curves International and they stopped the new owner from opening at that location. Unfortunately for the new owners there were no other commercial locations between the two cities so they were forced into selling that franchise back to Curves International for a loss.
It was also at this time that Curves International started to change personnel. The employee’s who we had a personal relationship with that had started Curves International with Gary Heavin were leaving the company at an alarming rate. Seven employees that were the top management of Curves left or were forced out because of Gary Heavin’s greed. They ended up filling a law suit against Curves which was later settled out of court. It was at this time that Diane Heavin became involved with Curves and a whole new history was being written about how Curves was started. The original Curves member guide which was written by Gary Heavin and June Manley was taken off the market and the new Curves book authored by of course Gary Heavin was on the top 10 of the Times best seller list.. To make sure it was on the Times best seller list all the clubs had to order at least on case. That is when we as owners realized Heavin was a manipulator and not the born again Christian he portrayed to be. It was also at this time that the price to buy a franchise more than doubled in price. This came as quite a surprise as Heavin had always maintained that he would never ever increase his franchise price and he even swore on the bible in front of a group at club camp that he would never break his word on that. Well as we all know he didn’t keep that promise for long, which just shows his greed.
At this point my wife and I became quite concerned and even considered selling our business but other problems arose concerning Curves International that demanded our full attention. In 2004 another Curves location located on our boarder of one of our metro-areas hired two of our employees and stole around 15 members from our club. Both employees had signed the anti covenant not to compete and in our state those agreements are strictly enforced by the courts. We considered going to court but since it was another Curves facility we decided to file a complaint with Curves International. And to let them handle it. What a mistake that was as they did nothing. We transferred the members files but refused to transfer the money for the members dues until such time that Curves International responded to our complaint. We were told by the area director, which was a new position at Curves International, that we were trouble makers and he refused to send any of are clubs the members appreciation bags. Shortly thereafter Curves International resold the corridor of land that had been sold back to them at a loss from the previous owners and they allowed the new owners to open up in nearly the same location that they had refuse the previous owners only a year and a half before. The new owners advertised in our area and ended up getting 10 or 11 members to transfer to their club. Again we held their monthly dues but did transfer the members files. We immediately filed a complaint but again got the same response nothing. It didn’t take long for most of the members who transferred to come back to our club as the other location was small and in a very run down area and to this day that club has not shown a profit and has been sold numerous times over the years for little to nothing.
Then in 2005 the real problems with Curves International started that we are still contending with today. In one of our metro-areas a competitor by the name of Ladies Workout Express opened up right across the street from our location. Unknown to us they had hired our manager and one other employee from that location and when the employee’s left they had stolen off our computer our member files. They ended up stealing over two thirds of our membership with in a week. The employees had signed the covenant not to compete so we immediately hired a lawyer and prepared for a lawsuit. As I stated before in our state that agreement is strictly enforced but it took four months to get it into court. During this time that location was losing so much money that we decided to move the location next to our other territory so that both clubs could stay open. We sent in the required change of location form to Curves International but never heard anything back from them so we went ahead and relocated in late 05. The owners of the Ladies Workout Express eventually went broke because of the lawsuit and the fact that they would end up owing us monetary damages. They filed for bankruptcy to prevent us from collecting any monetary awards in Dec 05 but we did have the satisfaction knowing that we did what was right
In early 06 we were informed by Curves International that because we abandon that location they were terminating all of our franchise agreements. We immediately requested mediation for all of our clubs which is authorized by our franchise agreements with Curves International. We never heard back from them so we hired a lawyer in Waco, TX to represent us. He proceeded to send them a letter requesting the same mediation process and they did respond to him. They sent him letter stating that it was premature to go through the mediation process at that time as they were in the process of researching our reason for moving. Curves International continued to debit our account for the franchise and advertising fees for all the other clubs we owned but stopped talking the fees for the one territory that they stated we abandoned. The lawyer had us send Curves International a check for the fees and a new authorization form for them to deduct it from our account. Neither our lawyer or ourselves ever heard anything back from Curves International so we all assumed that things were back to normal.
In the spring of 07 we made the decision to start selling off all of our clubs and to completely retire. It didn’t take me long to sell the club we owned that wasn’t in a metro-area and I agreed to stay with the new owner’s to help train them how to run the business. We sent all the documentation into Curves International and the sale was completed by January 08. That freed my wife and I up to concentrate on our metro-area clubs and to get them ready for sale. In Feb of 08 we heard that a Curves club was opening in one of our territories within a mile of our current club. We could not understand how Curves International could do such a thing. We again filed a complaint by phone and e-mail to Curves International and several weeks later we were informed by e-mail that they didn’t know what we were talking about. We were told we didn’t own any franchises and hadn’t since we were terminated in 05. That came as quite a shock to my wife and I as our franchise and advertising fee’s had been deducted all along from our checking account and we had just recently sold a club that they were telling us we never owned. We had a local lawyer send a letter to the new owners explaining the situation and that we would be seeking legal recourse against Curves International and depending on the outcome they were opening themselves up to a potential lawsuit. During this time we had bought and paid in full for the Smart Equipment for Curves International and were waiting for the installation which was scheduled for the June 24th. On June 20th , a Friday we received a phone message telling us that the Curves Smart Installation was canceled and that we had to call Curves legal for an explanation. We left messages both e-mail and phone every 30 minutes on Monday June 23rd and finally late in the afternoon we received an e-mail stating that one of there lawyers would be in touch with us before the end of the day, They never sent an e-mail or a phone call as was promised but by mid day the next day they did respond by e-mail. It stated because of the problems with the members transfers, the fact that we abandoned a franchise, and that we had interfered with the opening of the new franchise located in our territory we weren’t approved for the Curves Smart. Yet in late May they had sent all the promotional ad material for the Curves Smart and of course we had gone to a considerable amount of expense for training the employees, advertising and promotion of the Curves Smart equipment. It was at this point that my wife and I decided that drastic action had to be taken against Heavin and Curves International.
While we still love the concept of Curves we feel that because of the deceptive and we believe fraudulent business practices that Heavin has allowed under his management Curves will eventually end up in the toilet so to speak. After spending many hours on the internet we have found that there are many lawsuits against this man and his company. Just read some of the post’s that are on franchisepick.com from owners concerning the new ten thousand fee if your club goes under and closes to the vitamins that were sold in Feb and March by Ideas in Action at a discount to owners without telling them that they would expire at the end of May. The lack of support and communication from Curves International that all of us owners are going through is intolerable. It is impossible for an owner to get through to them on the phone and good luck if you expect a call back in a timely manor. The fact that we as owners pay a lot of money for our advertising fees and have no accounting of where it is spent and a quite frankly we never see many ads in our area.
I have taken the time to do the necessary research to find several good lawyers who handle franchise law who are more than willing to help Curves owners who are having similar problems with Curves. I for one am going to go after Curves International and Gary Heavin in a court of law. These are not class action but group action lawsuit and if you don’t understand the difference contact me and I will explain it to you. There have been over 200 such lawsuit filed against Curves in the last several years and while some have been settled in mediation others are in the process of going to litigation. If you are a past or present Curves owner who has experienced these problems and want satisfaction whether it be monetary or revenge please contact me. We have several options that we can go and I for one am positive we will win as the other lawsuits have been successful so far and have set a precedent for ours. It is time for the owners of Curves franchises either past or present to stand up together and put a stop to Heavins’s ramped destruction of peoples lives just for monetary greed.
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lets see Howe has extorted 10,000 dollars from owners who had to close early. Your the man with the know so how many people paid that or a portion of that considering Howie would lower it down to around 3000 when they balked at the 10,000. How many clubs have closed so far. Let see according to Curves International advertising they had over ten thousand clubs now they have less than 4000 at best. So that would mean 6000 X 10,000 = 60,000,000.00 at the most and the least 6,000 X 3000 =18,000,000.00.00 Howie has extorted some where between those amounts by demanding a so called closing fee. And you are worried about the lawyers getting rich. You are the only one that seems to care about Howie and everyone here sees that . Oh by the way I'm glad you brought up Gary Findley since he sued Howie in a group action lawsuit for 20 million and collected. I suppose he has hurt your reputation also.
Gee that closing fee will be our next group action lawsuit unless it is all refunded asap.
“And you are worried about the lawyers getting rich.”
Wow! You don’t think anyone should be concerned that the lawyers are going to get rich while the owners get poorer? Already they’ve gotten $1,000,000 from these desperate people. OF COURSE owners are concerned that the ONLY people benefiting from this are the lawyers. Because the flip side of that is the question of who is being DAMAGED, and it is NOT just the Heavins. Aren’t YOU worried about that? If your vendetta didn’t negatively effect the resale value for every owner out there, no one would give a crap.
You believe that the old proverb “The enemy of my enemy is my friend.” is an absolute. It isn’t. The Crips murder, rob, deal drugs, etc… - clearly bad “people”. Their sworn enemy are the Bloods who also murder, rob, deal drugs, etc… - and are equally bad “people”. Should the police be “friends” with the Bloods because they share a common enemy?
Every time you dismiss ANYONE disagrees with you as a shill or corporate stooge defending Curves you then make two false assumptions. One is that since Curves has screwed a ton of people and you are Curves’ enemy that everyone screwed by Curves MUST be on your side. The other is that anyone who DOES NOT agree with you IS on Curves’ side. You can’t fathom that no one has to choose. Will you beat your wife or beat your kid? Does it have to be an either or? No, you can choose to not do either one. Likewise they can believe that Curves screwed the pooch AND that you are out on a self serving vendetta that will benefit no one but the lawyers. False hope is no hope at all.
If you are successful, and other than a few faithful, no one really believe you will be, but if you are, what is left after you are done? Zarco’s coffers filled, your fellow litigants with pennies in their pockets and the rest of the owners? Russian Czars = bad. Their aftermath of their overthrow, better?
In the meantime, Curves is wasting money defending against this garbage when they could be using it to benefit the owners. Especially those that are struggling.
I’m not going to argue with you on your made up numbers. Curves has not collected closing fees from ALL those people. Not $10,000, not $3,000 and you damn well know it. So those are just made up numbers by you. Have some people paid it? Yes. But nowhere near the numbers or amount you are claiming. Your 6,000 closed number is pure guess and even then many of those simply didn’t renew and others didn’t pay a dime.
What we do know is that YOU say that 250 people joined your lawsuit and paid Zarco $4,000 each. That’s $1,000,000 to Zarco already and based on recent awards very little if anything will come out of any verdict to the owners. Why would anyone in their right mind do this? Because a drowning man will grasp the blade of a sword and cut off his own fingers in the HOPE that he may be saved. You point to the bad that Curves has done to justify this. As if a lesser evil is not really evil. Curves has taken millions from owners, so your argument is that it’s then OK that Zarco take another million in the HOPES that some owners will get pennies on the dollar? You seem fine with that. I guess you and I have a different definition of “help”.
Well so far today I have spoke to 5 more owners who disagree totally with you and have joined the second wave of lawsuits against curves all because of your rant. You see you can attack me all you want, you can disagree with how many clubs have closed and paid the closing fee as a result of the intimidation and extortion tactics used by curves but the majority of owners know what is happening and have personal experience with the unethical, immoral and illegal tactics used by Curves. It is hard not to see you as a stooge or plant from CI as not once have you even responded to the way that Curves has mismanaged the business or the concerns of the owners. Your only point you keep trying to raise is how much the lawyers are going to make and that for heaven sakes owners don't sue as you will only get pennies on the dollar. Gee where have we as owners heard that before? Oh yes I remember now. Heavin has been spouting the same rhetoric at every meeting and fire side chat. 'Another one of his and I'm sure yours is CI has not lost a single time in court . Hey guess what he is right so for as when they come up for trial CI quickly settles out of court and makes sure there is a confidentiality agreement signed so no one will know what CI settled for.
Of course your not going to argue about how much Howie has extorted from owners because you can't lie about the facts. Our facts are right and you know it. period so go ahead and spout off all you want about the lawsuit. 99 % of the owners who come to this board know the real truth about Howie and in reality so do you if you even own a club.
Right on unhappy, it is so obvious when a person doesn't own a club and works for CI. I wish they would go away.
Because I know that you "posers" are going to say that you own a club, or don't work for CI. Then why are you here? What made you come to this site? The only people who come here are the ones that have the blinders off. So with that said you have to be a staff member of CI.
Next step,
Your are so right and thanks for your support. we will have some new breaking new about curves International and Howie latter this week and I don't mind telling you it will be shocking. It has to do with all the excess costs CI has charged over the years such as when you sell a club and pay a transfer fee, or add someone on to your franchise agreement and pay a fee, and of course the closing fee which by the way owners Howie has gone back trying to charge owners by using threats and intimidation. Stay tuned as this maybe will be as big as the group action lawsuit.
Why are you here, Guest? You get some kind of twisted pleasure out of reveling in the suffering of others? You remind me of those Baptist protesters who gather and shout insults at soldiers' funerals.
We're here to share our stories of loss, and you're here to criticize. Why?
Next Step, unhappy, Wiped Out:
Just honestly answer this question: If your clubs were independent and you were free from CI's restrictions & fees, how successful would they be right now?
Would they be thriving fitness goldmines? Or would they be solid, stable and profitable, gaining enough members to cover those you lost each year?
Or would they be losing members? Just scraping by?
Or would they be struggling and losing money just like your Curves and all the other express fitness clubs?
Can you honestly say your clubs would be teeming with members if you were out from under the evil influence of Curves and could run it however you wanted? Well...?
I just got off the phone with the Texas BBB. I was told that they wouldn't take my complaint because it fell outside of their parameters, They view any fanchisee/franchisor dispute as an employee/employer situation! The only suggestion the man had was going to the Labor Board (800-832-9243). Has anyone else been confronted by this reaction?
Guest
There are many clubs that have gone independent and are doing much better than existing clubs under the Curves banner. How much has to do with not having to pay franchise and advertising fees I don't know. Is it ethical? Each owner must make his own decision on that but the way they have been treated by CI I don't blame them. There is board discussing that if you will look at CURVES: Can Indie Clubs Thrive Where Curves Failed? you may find a better answer to your question.
NJNow,
Never Have I ran across that an am very puzzled by their response I am tied up for the next 3 days but will check in to that by the end of the week..