JAN-PRO Franchise Complaints

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• To Joe who I will refer to as "joe the joker"

  Do not believe what joe the joker is saying he is just someone from corporate trying to scare people. These cleaning franchisors have a history of trying to intimidate us. The trial is not over and the Fight for Justice will never end until we all get Justice. How can you tell that this guy is someone from corporate? Very easily by the words he uses like how he said "seing stars in your eyes" or that he has "cooled his jets down abvout filling a lawsuit" Did joe the joker from corporate forget to read the following.

  The Judge on the coverall trial already said that the way coverall operates is like a modified PONZI SCHEME and gave the coverall plaintifs Summary Judgement. He already rulled that they are Misclafified. I read his 11 page Rulling were he states that this is a modified Ponzi Scheme and rulled that the coverall people are misclasified and that they are employees. Infact coverall is now trying to use a diferent system and I read that they are going to give everyone TIME CARDS. coverall has also stoped selling there fake franchises in Massachusetts. Ask any Lawyer and they will tell you that all of these cleaning franchisors are missclasifying there people. The number one thing I would like to see is these people go to jail and stop them from Ripping-off so many people.

  Don't let the Trolls from the cleaning franchisors fool you, lie to you, scare you or try and intimidate you. We will keep on Fiting until we get Justice.

• Well, Jerry V. or "1st amendment", seems like you really are a little "lazy". You talk about everyone elses "lawsuit", where's yours? Print the "case number" so we can verify.

  Said it before, say it again, PUT UP OR SHUT UP!!!!!

  You call everyone else, chump, joker etc..... but the proof's in the pudding, coverall is not changing their model at least not in Indiana.

• This is in response to “ J from Indiana ”

  I’m going to respond to your three other post one at a time. I will start by responding to the first one you posted on June 7 at 5:14 pm. Who ever you are all I know is that we can’t trust you or believe anything that you say. One day you said that you were an insider and then you said that you owned your own business and then you said that you used to also be an operations manager. Then you tell us that jan-pro has 7500 fake franchisees but we hear something else from jan-pro. Then you tell us that you don’t know how many people have left jan-pro and that you have no way of knowing that but you say that you are an INSIDER.. What are you trying to hide? It’s funny how Mc Donald’s knows how many hamburgers and fries they have sold but you a jan-pro INSIDER doesn’t know how many people have left jan-pro or how many fake franchisees they have. Then you tell us that you go to jan-pro conventions and that you know Richard kissane. More and more you sound like one of those fast talking fast selling sales managers at jan-pro. It seems to me like you are someone’s monkey throwing mud pies at the wall to see what sticks.

  You say that I’m bitter and a ranter. Are you then saying that when people get ripped-off they should just keep quiet, shut up and take it and say nothing? I bet that jan-pro would love that. I bet that if you got ripped-off, If your Mom got ripped-off or if they took food from your kids mouth then I bet you to would be mad. Then I bet you wouldn’t call it being bitter.

  If you talk to independent business owners and I’m referring to your Mom and Pop cleaners they will all tell you that you can’t trust the bscai. They have executives and manufacturers. Just like the IFA they are not independent they have lobbyist in Washington trying to change the laws so that they can hurt us the average person trying to make a living by working hard.

  Yes it is a Fraud! We will prove it soon when we go to trial. It’s also Deceit, Theft and Racketeering. I feel that they are in violation of the Rico and Racketeering acts. We need to get this information to an Attorney general.

  So you are saying that if someone doesn’t contact every single person that works for jan-pro then it’s ok for jan-pro to rip them off ??? Are you then saying that you as a jan-pro insider, or operations manager that you are ok with Ripping people off. How can you sleep at night? However I find it interesting how a reporter for Franchisetimes.com that wrote a recent article on all the lawsuits against cleaning franchisors called many people and they were either not there, had disconnected numbers, or didn’t want to talk. How strange don’t you think. How many people that left jan-pro 5 years ago are they still counting as active? Better yet how many people disconnected or changed there phone numbers because jan-pro kept harassing them and intimidating them ?

• Jerry V. Still acting like a "bitter baby". You failed to answer any of my statements in regards to "your standing" , where's yuor "case number", where's your "skin in the game", You act like there's no responsibility at all on the "z's" part in all of this.

  So, let's end this "discussion". Until YOU PROVE, that you've got a real stake and aren't some "tag along", you have little to no value in the discussion.

• Hey First amendment. Please don't misrepresent what went on. The Judge can say anything he wants, but in the end coverall won the suit and the plantiffs have to pay court costs. There is no money in lawsuits these days. The only people who get rich are the lawyers.

  I happen to believe that you are a lawyer trying to stir things up to get more people willing to risk their money to try a lawsuit. I am not willing to do that.

• In response to someone who calls himself ( Joe )

  Now it's very obvious that you are someone from corporate. You claim to have been an x franchisee but it’s very clear that you are only someone from corporate trying to Intimidate us, scare us and lie to us. I have seen jan-pro use these tactics in the past against me and other people. I have seen jan-pro intimidate and try and scare people. To everyone out there reading this Don’t fall for it and don’t let them intimidate you. To this person who calls himself ( joe ) I will not be intimidated any more. By the things you posted we can tell that you are only a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

  The lawsuit is not over. Infact the Plaintiff’s Won Summary Judgment. Lawsuits take a long time. It’s a long procedure. We are only at the beginning. It’s funny how you say that what the Judge said doesn’t mater. I wonder then why the IFA immediately sent letters and lobbyist to senator Thomas McGee In Massachusetts. I wonder then why the IFA is desperately trying to change the Laws. If what the Judge said wouldn’t mater then why would so many franchisor law firms be scrambling like mice and having meetings and webinars all over the country. Infact in a recent webinar that was held by a Franchisor Law firm they said that the way these cleaning franchisors are doing business they are Misclassifying there franchisees and that there fake franchisees are really employees and that the only people in real trouble are the Cleaning Franchisors. The Judge gave the plaintiffs Summary Judgment and he wrote an 11 page ruling were he stated that this was a Ponzi Scheme and ruled the plaintiff’s misclassified. This was based on the LAW and under the ABC 3 Test Prongs.

  Meanwhile we need everyone to file a complaint with the Federal Trade Commission and District Attorneys and Attorney General.

  http://www.ftc.gov If we all file complaint the FTC will take Action !

  The legal actions are not over. People are tired of getting Ripped-off. People work very hard for there money and we are not going to allow these companies to rip-us off any longer. More people are coming forward. There is more Lawsuits being filled and I have heard that the Attorney General will be looking into this dirty mess.

• This is in response to ( The Fake J from Indiana )

  I have responded to all of your questions. However one day you ran a mock like a crazy monkey that was high on crack cocaine and you posted 3 Times. I’m still responding to some of your last post but don’t worry about your last question about me taking Legal Action. I’m going to respond to that question and you will end up crying like a monkey with no Banana’s.

  However I noticed that all you have done is run from ALL of the questions that I have asked. Some you completely ignored and others you say that you don’t have an answer to even though you say that you are a Jan-pro INSIDER.

• This is in response to the ( Fake J from Indiana )

  This is in response to the second post you posted on June 7 at 5:20 pm

  Yes some people are taking legal action. According to the 2008 FDD Coverall has settled 26 cases and Janiking has also settled 52 pieces of litigation. I myself know of 7 cases against jan-pro.

  Maryland’s assistant Attorney General Dale Cantone warns that the Fdds are so COMPLEX that they are very, very risky.

  The http://www.Ftc.Gov Federal Trade Commission distributes a 19 page booklet of CAUTION for people considering buying a commercial cleaning franchise.

  Anybody considering buying a Fake cleaning franchise please don’t do it. You will loose your money and have many headaches if you do.

  Yes unfortunately people do get intimidated. I witnessed this myself and was horrified by it. I specially have seen them take advantage of single Moms, immigrants and Vets.

  To the ( Fake J from Indiana) You have called me a ranter and an idiot and a cry baby. Would you also say that to the Vets who have been ripped-off by jan-pro, to the families who have been destroyed and lost it all or to Jagoda Walczak a single Mom Polish immigrant who was ripped-off after she borrowed money to buy a fake cleaning franchise.

  Please read this article that came out on the New York Times. You can find it by searching it on the internet or by going to The New York times website. It’s about how a single Mom and how she got ripped-off.

  In Search of work, but at what cost?
  By David Segal
  December 27, 2009

  Yes people who have been intimidated need to file complaints with the District Attorney and with the Federal Trade commission. If you go to the BBB they will not be able to help you because if a complaint is filled and these companies don’t respond then nothing happens.

  Please file complaints with the District Attorney or Federal Trade Commission. http://www.Ftc.Gov
  You can also join a National Class Action lawsuit as a class member.

• Noticed you forgot to mention that Coverall was "removed" from the independent contractor issue. Which was the "prong" that Judge Young used in his original "memo". What was stated in the Jury decision handed down on June 2, 2010 was the fact there was no proof by/from the plantiffs that "harm" had been proven.

  In other words, they couldn't prove that they had been harmed financially by this "relationship". They had no proof that they weren't being paid properly, that they weren't making equal too or less than minimum wage.

  Again, if you're going to tell the "whole story" than be honest, you've got to make sure that you have "standing" and you don't. You call others "jokers" or that we are "fake". It will be real interesting to see where this all settles and how "whiners" such as you are dealt with. Were some people "harmed" , was there some "misrepresentation" by overzealous salespersons, Maybe, but that's a fact in all business opportunities. Key is, you have to show patterns, consistancy in the misleadings that you are stating. Again, PUT UP or SHUT UP!!!!! still no case number from you, no "location" of where you're at, no "specific description", could Joe be right, are you a "poor mouth attorney" trying to "rip people off".

• This is in response to ( The Fake j from Indiana )

  This is a response to the Third post you posted on June 7 at 9:35 pm.

  You say that at the jan-pro that you were working from that you had a few people grossing over 100,000 ?
  You say that another person was grossing 180,000 ??
  You say that another person was grossing 500,000 ???

  I say prove it or stick a banana in your mouth. What will you say next ?

  You say that you are an INSIDER !

  However when you were asked by another person in this blog to show how many people have left jan-pro all you did was hide behind a trashcan and say that you didn’t know. You say that you don’t know how many people have left jan-pro but Mc Donald’s knows how many Hamburgers and Milk shakes they have sold.

  When I went to jan-pro they told me that I would make tons of money and that I would be able to grow my business, then when they took my money they wouldn‘t even say hi to me anymore. Then I found out that what they had promised they were all Lies, Dception and Fraud.

  The whole company is bad, the whole tree is bad. When I talked to the master franchisor he gave me the finger and when I called corporate they said that they could not help me.

  I have received calls from people in 25 different states and people from different parts in Canada. People have been ripped-off and they go online and find these blogs and they find my phone number and e-mail adress and when I talk to them they tell me that they know many people who are getting ripped-off by jan-pro. Not just a few but a lot of people!

  You say that you know people who made money with jan-pro. Well I know over 10 that invested from $20,000.00 Thousand Dollars to $40,000.00 Thousand Dollars and now they have nothing, Zero, Zip, Nada !

  You say you know people who made money with jan-pro well I Personally know close to 100 who got Ripped-off and now have nothing.