POSIGRIP Dealer Scam Complaints

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• Posigrip does work. That is the only truth in this article!
  The service is EXTREMELY difficult to sell! All they offer as help is either a joke or does not work! By the way, the moment you paid your fee, they don’t contact you anymore, there is no help, no support, no leads…NOTHING!!!
  IT IS A BIG RIPOFF!
  Franchise – hahahahaha – you are not even allowed to use the posigrip name!!!
  another lie is, that it is by far the best product out there! make your homework and you’ll find better products with a way better support for their business partners! Posigrip is in a little warehouse, 2 room office, 3 people all together! A little hole in the wall!!

• If Posigrip is sold as a license and not a franchise, they probably forbid you from using the name as a way to keep from tripping franchise laws. If you do not use a common name, it's not, technically, a franchise. Therefore, they do not have to meet franchise disclosure requirements, registration and filing requirements, etc.

• OK, Folks here is what I found and you can follow this same trail.

  I start with Posigrip and see the A+ rating with the Better Business Bureau and found that in 26 years since the corporation started they have never had a single complaint. Not 1 complaint and so could that be true nobody is that good right?

  They have 2000 operators around the planet and none of them are complaining. At least all the things I read that were negative were from characters and on these type of bogus sites. I thought why wouldnt people go to the BBB to complain and why would they complain on some random website?a I found out that its easier to take a shot at a big company from a blog if your a small competitor and hide behind a fake name.
  I found that Posigrip has close to 200 original patented products and major contracts with all the large companies in the world. All of them. I talked to an associate in their offices and asked him about the competition and this guy says "if McDonalds wants to do 35,000 stores do you think for a minute they would ever call the slipdoctors and his 8 people"? Which is 4 less I noticed than he had 2 months ago when I started my investigation.

  He went on to say" If you think that any of these cheap shots against this global leader in slip resistant technology are real, then maybe you really dont deserve to own a business because Posigrip is the real deal, original".
  I have to tell you
  There is nobody that has spent more research on this subject than I.
  Posigrip-The real and Genuine article like they say INNOVATIVE. PERIOD.

  I looked into Posigrip slipdoctors.com and sure step probably more than anyone on the internet and what I found were little innuendos just like this one that usually end by saying something like “so I went to slip doctors and they were friendly” etc. etc. -OR- "slipdoctors.com did a beautiful job on my restaurant floor"

  So I inquired with slip doctors about this incredible loyalty. I asked why their customers were blogging on a competitors website and why it was usually Posigrip. I wondered what would compel a customer to be so thrilled about slip resistance, and I asked slip doctors if they knew who these loyal customers were. They hung up on me.
  I didn't give up there, so I checked a little more and found out that the photos on the slip doctor website say Rocky Miller and Greg Cohen the slipdoctors.com owners. As it turns out there is an ad for a used car dealer in the same town that has a photo of Greg Cohen who is much younger, shorter thinner and very Jewish. Nothing wrong there except why is he hiding. What is this little guy ashamed of or is he trying to give us a warm fuzzy with the 2 older guys in the photo who since this writing are distributors they now say.
  You know what I say. I SAY BEWARE! THAT'S WHAT I SAY.

  So then I went and looked up Sure Step in Canada and found that they claim to be a chemical company in Canada and I followed the address to the location with Google, zoomed in and got the name of the building, called the property manager and found out he has never heard of them, and he has been there for 4 years, besides he says this is an office building and zoning would arrest him if he were there making chemicals. So I figure this company is hiding something or they wouldn't lie about such trivial things.

  IN THE END I FIND THE FOLLOWING:
  POSIGRIP the original and leader by a country mile.

  Slipdoctors.com BEWARE

  SURE STEP Troubling to say the least.

• Big Daddy:
  I usually try to stay out of the conversations, but I'll make an exception in your case. I don't know if you are in fact a PosiGrip shill accidentally making Posigrip look underhanded, or a clever Posigrip detractor doing the same. Anyway, let me address some of your points:

  "I start with Posigrip and see the A+ rating with the Better Business Bureau..."
  In my experience, BBB ratings are meaningless, and those who tout them should be viewed with suspicion. Read elsewhere on this site about Revive Energy Mints which just scammed 400 people out of $6M. Their company, Sito Marketing, has disconnected phone lines and fled... and currently has a B+ Rating. American Vending Systems BBB review says "BBB knows of no significant government actions involving American Vending Systems." Last year The USDOJ prosecuted the principals for defrauding more than 900 out of millions and they are sitting in Federal Prison. No one told the BBB.

  "They have 2000 operators around the planet and none of them are complaining."
  The subject of the post is the high number of complaints posted on Ripoff Report and elsewhere.

  The dealer above is complaining. You haven't addressed one of the complaints that he makes:

  - No territory
  - HQ is a hole in the wall w/ 2 rooms and a small warehouse (Global leader?)
  - 30 minutes of training
  - Extremely difficult to sell
  - No support from corporate
  - Do not do promised advertising
  - No trade show support
  - No corporate accounts, as promised
  - No contact except to ask for money
  - Substandard trade show display
  - Lack of corporate communication, new products
  - Labor intensive, ineffective marketing

  "As it turns out there is an ad for a used car dealer in the same town that has a photo of Greg Cohen who is much younger, shorter thinner and very Jewish. Nothing wrong there except why is he hiding."
  This doesn't even come close to making sense. Greg Cohen is younger, shorter, thinner and more Jewish in one picture than another? Your point? And despite publishing his picture in at least 2 places, he's hiding? I think there's an anti-semitic slur in there somewhere, but the whole thing is so incoherent I can't be sure.

  Big Daddy, you actually make me feel a little sorry for PosiGrip. With advocates like you, who needs detractors?

• Wow,
  You signed in under ADMIN,
  Are you the owner of this site? That is weird, I thought this was a complaint forum and not a one company bashing forum.
  I must say that after years as an investigator your tone puts you at the scene of the crime, maybe not enough yet to convict but still very much a suspect.

  I would and I'm sure the good people at Posigrip would like to know why you feel it important to malign your competitor with untruths. Cant SlipDoctors try to compete with their products?

  I investigated the above reference that you reprinted and maybe you should have also. You would have noticed that he left his email address for anyone to contact him. Well all you have to do is Google the address and you would have found that this scumbag likes to write about having sex with animals. Look for the Dog Lover heading. Have you ever thought that the company also might have known this. I would be afraid to send him into a home that had pets and I hope that you would too.

  You can also Google the offices and they are quite nice and appear to be quite large as a manufacturing plant would be. If they have that many franchises, then I'm sure your getting more than a half hour training because they are many and they are important to many companies that use this sort of thing.

  Then there were 5 other reports that are obviously bogus because they were written at the same time within hours of each other under different names and they were about the Scotland and the Canadian distributors not Posigrip.

  You are an angry person, don't feel sorry for me, I'm doing just fine, but lets see now, how well equipped you are able fend off the reports in the same places you mention, except maybe this time they are real former slipdoctor operators that you might have refunded or.... worse been forced to refund.

  Your better off keeping your pen in your pocket my friend, luckily these guys haven't dug in and decided to do the same to you. Frankly they sound a heck of a lot smarter, while your sitting up at night worrying about why your business is failing and posting falsehoods, they're making history.

• "Bi Daddy":
  Only the administrator of the site can post as ADMIN, and the site administrator has no connection to Posigrip and had never even heard of SlipDoctors until your comment.
  We'll often publish a post containing some of a given company's marketing claims and, in contrast, some of the complaints levelled against them. Then we invite discussion. We don't say the complaints are true and we don't care to investigate the sexual preferences, human or canine, of the original commenters. We invite the companies to debunk or disprove the complaints if they wish. In this case, PosiGrip said they'd rather not join the discussion, which is, of course, their right.
  Our motto here is attack the argument, not the arguer. If you think PosiGrip has a great dealer program that provides a wonderful opportunity, please share why you feel that way. If you feel that the SlipDoctors program is a bad investment, please share the facts or experiences that led you to that conclusion.
  If you have information that can help prospective dealers make informed decisions regarding the different non-slip dealer programs, please share it. It would be best to address the issues raised rather than attacking whatever commenter raised them.

• All I can say is that you will receive no support other than the occasional email to bid on a project many miles away. The training is extremely weak to say the least so be prepared to work extremely hard to get your message out there and learn on the job. It is located in a small 2 office warehouse in Daytona Beach. Just google map the address and you will see for yourself. You are not permitted to use any of their trademark logo's and they will sell this "opportunity" to anyone who is willing to pony up even if they are in the next town. I have been called on several occasions by prospective buyers that where a bit nervous and close to me.
  Got a real song and a dance from the sales guy at the Franchise show. His personal claims were very interesting and after some research turned out to be bs.
  I think I have a good idea who Big Daddy is,,,LOL

  Thomas,,,you are not alone my friend.

• I AM THINKING OF GETTING INVOLVED WITH THIS COMPANY NOW I AM WONDERING YES OR NO. MYSELF BEING IN THE CONCRETE RESURFACING BUSINESS IT TAKES A LOT OF WORK PHYSICALLY AND MARKETING TRYING TO CONVINCE FUTURE CUSTOMERS THE PRODUCT WILL LAST. THE PROBLEM IS BAD INSTALLERS SO IS IT THE COMPANY , THE PRODUCT OR THE INSTALLERS. WHY DO YOU SAY IT IS HARD TO SELL? NOBODY IS GOING TO BE KNOCKING ON THE DOOR FOR IT, SO HOW HARD ARE YOU PEOPLE TRYING? IT SEEMS SOMEBODY IS NOT TELLING THE REAL DEAL. SO IF SOMEBODY CAN HELP ME MAKE UP MY MIND AND BE HONEST WITH ME A LITTLE HARD WORK IS NOTHING`

• Lewis.

  Its just like I said. The biggest problem is the bs that is potentially perpetrated by the salesman at the franchise show you attended.

  Here is might immediate advice,
  If you can go see them in Daytona personally, do so prior to writing your check:
  1) Research very strongly the PosiGrip/CeilTech name in your area as to make sure that you have some workable territory that somebody else isn't either working or screwing up.
  2) Understand that your training will be weak.
  3) Understand that a stack of mailing postcards and some labels is their marketing "help".
  4) Understand that you will not be able to use their name or image in any web-based marketing. That is a big deal if you really think about it.
  5) Google image their facility if you can't go their so you know exactly what your dealing with.
  6) Understand that their claims of marketing support at trade shows and the like will not happen.
  The products work. I have applied it and sold it in my area and it is doing what I needed it to do which is be an addition of services of one of my 3 companies. I have little complaint about that but the salesman at the show is just that, a salesman and he is going to tell you some serious nonsense.
  You own your own biz now so you know what is real and what is garbage. We both know you have to get up and work no matter what you are doing especially in this economy but it pisses me off that miss-representations are made concerning the "support".
  That is where they fall very short.
  To sum it up, they sell chemicals with instructions on how to use them.
  Hope that helps

• Thanks bee careful I will due my homework. I found this company on line and talk to person name Jim he never mentioned not using there name in advertising with my company name that could be a problem how they backing you up? I take business very serious I'm here to make money and leave a great impression on my customers that they got what they paid for a great job.