IS AMWAY A SCAM?

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• More likely it’s proof that no one takes Tex seriously and he isn’t a threat to them. ---- No, that isn't likely at all. Why would the LCKs (Lying Cowardly "Kingpins") sue someone making a comment about a painting in Ada being changed to replace the ex-wife with the currrent wife, and nothing is said when I call them LCKs? Or sue them over the details of the leave-behind information unique to a particular LOS?

  I’m an outsider investigating this opportunity. When I asked him to explain what he meant by “tool scam” instead of answering he said go to his website (which is a confusing hodgepodge) and offered a personal conference call (bizarre). He seems more interested in trading barbs and insults than truly informing and warning. ---- If I offered a personal conference call, how is that NOT "truly informing and warning?" Personalized service, and live, without the misunderstandings often found on forums/blogs. If the website is confusing to you, what better way to explain it than a simple telephone call?

  Merchants of Deception guy was willing to put in some serious time writing a book, but I find the info so out of date it doesn’t seem that relevant. ---- It may be older information, but until the tool prices and travel costs come down significantly, it is still applicable.

  On the other hand, Amway supporters like ibofightback represent the pro-Amway point of view rationally and point to informative, serious, factual websites that easily marginalize critics like Tex as crackpots. ---- ibofb dodges the REAL business questions, but he did succeed pulling the wool over YOUR eyes. I am neither pro or con, just the facts.

• Tex writes "Why would the LCKs (Lying Cowardly “Kingpins”) sue someone making a comment about a painting in Ada being changed to replace the ex-wife with the currrent wife, and nothing is said when I call them LCKs?"

  Tex, it's kind of sad to see someone trying so hard to get an angry reaction from a company and the only reaction he gets is laughter and mockery. They don't sue you because they are too busy laughing at you.

  Why don't you clearly explain the tool scam, how it works, right here so even outsiders can understand? Maybe with minimal acronyms, insider-speak and references to paintings. Then maybe you'll earn an audience for your blog and even your conference calls. And you won't be such an easy target for the their ridicule.

• Tex, it’s kind of sad to see someone trying so hard to get an angry reaction from a company and the only reaction he gets is laughter and mockery. They don’t sue you because they are too busy laughing at you. ---- Nice try, but this makes no sense. Why would they sue over a minor issue mentioned online, but be silent when a major issue is mentioned online? LOL

  Why don’t you clearly explain the tool scam, how it works, right here so even outsiders can understand? Maybe with minimal acronyms, insider-speak and references to paintings. Then maybe you’ll earn an audience for your blog and even your conference calls. And you won’t be such an easy target for the their ridicule. ---- Here's a summary, feel free to ask questions, so I can expand on the requested area of confusion:

  Amway is a scam, and here's why: Amway pays out as little money as they can get away with, so they support the higher level IBOs ripping off their downline via the tool scam.

  As a result, about 99% of IBOs operate at a net loss, while the top 1% make several TIMES more from their Amway tool scam than from the Amway products.

  Read about it on my blog, I suggest you start here: http://tiny.cc/D5oJh and forward the information to everyone you know, so they don't get scammed.

• If you, like me, don't already know what the Amway "tool scam" is don't bother with Tex's site. He continues to refer to the Tool Scam but never explains or defines it. The random powerpoint slides seem intentionally designed to confuse and bore.

  As far as I can tell, the tool scam involves selling screwdrivers, hammers and drills and not getting commissioned on them.

  Take my word for it, Tex, you're not getting sued because you actually make it easy for them to dismiss critics. You don't even make IBOFBs Guide to Amway critics. But keep at it and maybe some day you'll achieve your dream of being sued by Amway. Good luck.

• Anon,

  Even though I asked you to ask questions if anything didn't make any sense, you didn't do that. However, you did bring up some issues that point to obvious areas of lack of knowledge.

  The ATS (Amway Tool Scam) is the hidden profits the various "tools" create, and include CDs, books, various meetings, web sites, voice mail, etc., that create several times more profit for Emeralds and above than Amway products do. It is important to note the upline promotes making money from the Amway products, but "forgets" to mention (aka - lies about the real business model) most of the profit comes from the above tools.

  In addition, any information (tool) shown to a prospect MUST be Amway approved, so it isn't reasonable for IBOs to reject the tools, nor is it reasonable for IBOs to use some tools and not others, the rules are far too complex to expect a new IBO to come to this conclusion.

  To top it all off, most IBOs below Platinum, which makes up about 99% of all IBOs, operate at a net loss, thanks to the above described ATS.

  They aren't suing me because it is easy for them to dismiss me, they aren't suing me because I am relating FACTS, and they don't want to bring more attention to the ATS.

  I don't make ibofb's list because he is running scared, and he doesn't want to bring more attention to me.

  Does this help?

• Tex is a forum troll. He has posted in so many forums about his "tools scam". He even went on a rampage posting his tools scam ad nauseum on blogs completely unrelated to Amway. Tex likes to repeat over and over the same things.

  I actually agree with Tex that Amway is not a good opportunity for most because the compensation is not fair for most who are involved. While the tools may or may not be as significant or not, it is unnecessary for Tex to invade all of these blogs to encourage people to call him or to turn the focus of the dicussion to the "tools scam".

  Tex isn't being sued because the parties involved are rolling on the floor laughing. In fact, they are probably happy that Tex dvierts and makes these blogs look stupid with his rantings so prospects don't see the rational reasons why or why they shouldn't get involed in Amway.

• Tex:
  Yes, that helps.
  Thanks

• Peter,

  Tex is a forum troll. He has posted in so many forums about his “tools scam”. He even went on a rampage posting his tools scam ad nauseum on blogs completely unrelated to Amway. Tex likes to repeat over and over the same things. --- Would you like some cheese with that whine? LOL

  I actually agree with Tex that Amway is not a good opportunity for most because the compensation is not fair for most who are involved. While the tools may or may not be as significant or not, it is unnecessary for Tex to invade all of these blogs to encourage people to call him or to turn the focus of the dicussion to the “tools scam”. ---- As I want the ATS (Amway Tool Scam) shut down, I will do whatever it takes to draw attention to it.

  Tex isn’t being sued because the parties involved are rolling on the floor laughing. In fact, they are probably happy that Tex dvierts and makes these blogs look stupid with his rantings so prospects don’t see the rational reasons why or why they shouldn’t get involed in Amway. ----WRONG. If the LCKs are willing to sue over extremely minor issues posted online, they (the LCKs or Amway) would sue me in a heartbeat with the content on my site, if it were untrue. Prospects probably don't understand all the details, they can ask if they want, or be scared off by the ATS facts.

• Like the title of this thread reads. Tex and Amway are a scam and they are annoying.

• How am I a scam? All I'm doing is telling the truth. The truth may be annoying to some, educational for others, but either way, the truth is the truth.