IS AMWAY A SCAM?

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• Be Real - what doesn't add up?

  Are you truly unaware that there is a whole world of retailing out there that doesn't involve discount stores, and a whole world of products not available in discount stores?

  Do you know that the number of products you can't buy at Target is magnitudes of levels bigger than the products you can buy at Target?

  But hey, if you're the type of person who only shops at discount stores, then pretty unequivocally Amway is not for you, either as a customer or business owner, though you might still be interested in some of the Amway LOC cleaning range, which works out ridiculously cheap once diluted to instructions.

• Are you truly unaware that there is a whole world of retailing out there that doesn’t involve discount stores, and a whole world of products not available in discount stores? ---> Of course s/he does, stop insulting him/her. The problem is most people buy most of their products at discount stores, that's why these companies are so HUGE. Also, most people s/he knows also shop at discount stores, and the valid market for selling these products at IBO cost, let alone recommended retail prices, is tiny. Are you truly unaware we are in an economic slump, making this issue even more important than ever?

  Do you know that the number of products you can’t buy at Target is magnitudes of levels bigger than the products you can buy at Target? ---> Do you know the number of products most people actually buy ARE available at Target and other discount stores?

  But hey, if you’re the type of person who only shops at discount stores, then pretty unequivocally Amway is not for you, either as a customer or business owner, though you might still be interested in some of the Amway LOC cleaning range, which works out ridiculously cheap once diluted to instructions. ---> As described above, MOST people are "the type of person who only [actually, this is another insult, the word should be "usually" not "only," except now ibofb is LOOKING for a fight and to paint you into extreme positions, as usual] shops at discount stores." Actually, I found several other products that were cost competitive with Walmart and Krogers (grocery store) in 2006, before the 2009 Amway price reductions. However, making a business out of LOC is very difficult, as it is so concentrated and last so long.

• Be Real,

  The products are overpriced and the PV/BV payout is too low. The UK prices decreased by as much as a reported 80% after Amway got in trouble with the regulators. The reason is because the upline doesn't care what the prices are, as they make most of their profit from the tools, so why rock the boat over the high prices or low PV/BV payout?

• Tex,

  The products are not overpriced. I'm saving money changing out where I buy my caffeine, laundry soap, and personal care products. I'm 100% sure that I'm NOT budgeting incorrectly or doing my math wrong. Yet, you seem 100% positive that you're right, no matter what. Oh, well.

• Anon, I have always had the "fee" to join told to me as being right about $200. And I agree, not once was the $50 basic fee ever offer or told, and I've heard 3 pitches from 2 IBOs.

  Bekah, you have a great inspirational story. Unfortunately, I've heard similar stories from IBOs and their speakers. It is not uncommon for doctors, lawyers and other highly educated people to be involved in MLM businesses; their background does not lend credibility. What you believe is simply what you believe. Don't let anyone tell you that you can't do something. Join Amway and update us in 3-5 years.

  Tex, I don't understand why so many people (other than ibofb) don't like your comments even when they seem to be on your side. I agree with you that the tool system itself a scam, but that goes hand in hand with deceit and outright dishonesty of the IBO and their uplines. I welcome a conference call with you and others, especially with any IBOs lurking here.

• Guest on November 10th, loved your post.

• Bekah,

  If you bothered to read my posts for comprehension, you would realize I said SOME Amway products are competitively priced. Put your prices and products on this blog for the caffeine, laundry soap, and personal care products you think are not overpriced. Let's stop this "Oh, well" BS and get down to the FACTS.

  Mi Nombre Es,

  Thanks for confirming the advertised priced to join, and what ibofb is denying is true. ibofb is worse than the LCKs, because he is trying to defend their actions. At least they slink away like the snake in the grass they know they are! LOL

  I doubt Bekah is going to do anything as an IBO, I've seen numerous people like her that are all talk and no action.

  Frankly, I didn't understand why so many people also don't like my comments, even when they agree with them, for the longest time. All I do is tell the unvarnished TRUTH. However, when you consider events like the Holocaust and the more recent Penn State debacle, you learn that most people want to "go along to get along" rather than do the right thing, and more people are hurt in the process of doing nothing meaningful to stop the wrong.

  If you want to talk, the conference number is 760-569-6000 and the access code is 975016#. Dial *67 first if you want to keep your number confidential. You'll also have to coordinate a calling time with me, I live in the Central time zone, so keep that in mind when you propose a call time. You can propose a time here or email me at hawaiianibo@yahoo.com.

• What happed to Shekhar, the IBO?

• Shekhar? Here's his last post:

  ■Shekhar on October 8th, 2011 7:59 pm
  My marriage has ended. I have no more savings. My rooms are full of products I cannot use. I am in financial ruin and I have no money to retire with.

  Amway has ruined me. I should have listened. I was so sure this would work out.

• RE: Shekhar

  I suspect that last comment from Shekhar was bogus. It had a different email address and IP address than the original Shekhar comments.

  The real Shekhar is MIA. Perhaps his yacht is in a tropical area so remote he can't even get satellite Internet access. ;)