IS AMWAY A SCAM?

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• So, what's your PV level and number of legs, average PV per IBO, and how many in each leg?

• I only have 3 legs, in my first leg is formed by 3 ibos, 2nd leg 5 ibos, 3ed leg also has 3 ibos. Total of 11 ibos in my team. They make minimun of 150 pv a month, I usualy make 200 pv a month, I have made 150 pv a few months and also I have made more than 200 pv before. Total pv on my team is around. 1800 pv amonth so I'm only at 15%

• rverdin is a typical IBO. And typical IBOs are like the Amway corporation. It's hard to get a straight answer from either of them.

  You guys will never know the details of any lawsuit involving Amway. Amway sees fit to pay off al litigants to keep their secrets under lock and key.

  Sooner or later, something is likely to leak out and people like ibofb will have to eat it. That day is probably not far away.

  The weaknesses are being exposed. Diamonds in bankruptcy, diamonds quitting, diamonds losing homes. Sooner or later, something will get out that will clearly illustrate how insidious some of these tool scam leaders are.

• How did I not aswer what I was asked I said pv level how many per leg I said ederyting I was asked idk what you're trying to trash if I'm being honest and answering my questions

• rverdin, you must have posted just before my comment. 11 downline and they all produce 150 PV? That's quite an exceptional group. How much are you spending on tools (cds, functions, etc)?

• "I don’t have to explain shit all I know every 15th of the month I get a check from amway, plus the money I make on sales even if you don’t like the company."

  rverdin:

  Thanks for sharing your information and experience. It's nice to get some fresh info and a fresh voice among all these regulars who have been sparring like this on multiple sites for years, it seems.

  Thanks for not backing down when your education was attacked.

  I think attacking spelling and grammar in forums like this is a low blow and low class. You never know whether someone's on a phone in a train, whether English is their 2nd language, or whether they're dyslexic. Who cares, if their point makes sense. A little civility goes a long way.

• Yes 150pv, its the minimum to make if you want an amway check, you can make less pvs but then you only get the comission money, and not the group check. So everyone does at least their 150pvs to get their check.

  I spend $45 a month on books and cds. I don't have to but I like to read the books we have on the system they help me in my personal life and with the business. The cds are great motivation and give great tips and so on. But I don't have to buy it if I don't want to, its my choice to.

  On meetings I spend $5 a week when I go to the opens on thur. I don't always go but I like to so that my down lines see me there. I'm okay with paying $5 a week for my uplines to do the work for me, they talk and give the info I just take someone that wants to hear it.

  Seminars are once a month. They are $20
  the ticket I chose to go to those for my benifit only, they have great info and remaind me of things to do and how to do things to make things simple. I also don't have to go if I don't want to.

  Conventions are every 4 months and are $120 a ticket those I love to go to they are for info, stories, and motivational speackers. I learn get motivated and have fun, the month there is a convention there is no seminar so not spending twise.

  For the record my upline never made me go to any of this, he invited me to the first and said it would help, after my fist it was my choice to go he didn't make me he didn't keep say I had to keep goin.

  So I have invested around $700. In cds books and op, sem, con.

  I think it fine for me I'm learning about my business, I'm getting better I have fun when I go, because I want to be there no one makes me.

  But I can also say I have also spent $700 or more in othere things that have nothing to do with this business that I do for fun sports events, dinners, movies, clubs, and so on so me spending money on something that is helping me is money well spent.

  To me is like college, amway college, I'm getting my major on what my carrier is. People that go to any other college spend lots and lots of money on what they want to be, then they graduate and go out looking for a job. I spend money and get educated for a job I already have.

  So I don't mind paying for my education.

• rverdin,

  You live in the U.S., correct? If so, you are wrong about the 150 PV level, it is really 100 PV. Your upline is probably teaching 100 PV personal volume and 50 PV retail (selling to non-IBOs), right? Here's the source to prove my point: http://www.amway.com/en/ResourceCenterDocuments/Visitor/ops-amw-gde-v-en--BusinessReferenceGuide.pdf

  However, there is no minimum personal purchase to receive the downline volume bonus, just the retail requirement of 50 PV (or have 10 different customers/month).

  Looks to me your 7 months of "education" isn't working out very well AND your upline is lying to you. LOL

  If you count the travel, hotel, and meal costs, you have spent FAR more than what you've listed. If you do these calculations, I would bet you've LOST money, not made any (net profit, that is).

  Also, you should ask your upline Platinum and above how much they make on tools, because it is coming out of YOUR pocket, as well as your downlines' pocket.

  You THINK all of these tools are optional, but try dropping them and see how much support you get from your upline, even though they are required to support you whether you buy their "optional" tools.

  You're being scammed and don't even know it, just like your upline would like you to think. LOL

  And your poor spelling not only reflects negatively on you, but it makes your posts hard to read, so "guest" needs a clue as well. LOL

• Corrrection & clarification: You THINK all of these tools are optional, but try dropping them and see how much support you get from your upline, even though they are required to support you whether you buy their “optional” tools or not. I and many others have learned that through personal experience.

• IF MY POSTS ARE HARD TO READ DON'T READ THEM!!!

  Okay so my 200pv I make a month are because like you said I was thought to believe I had to make 150pv.
  So there for that's what I told my down line and we all believe the same. So that is the reason with 11 poeple in my group I'm able to make it to 15%.....
  So all I got to say to that is thank god my uplines lied to me! Or I would have needed 100 people just to get to 15% if we were all making 50pv a month.

  About me spending more money than I'm making with amway...... no not really, to go on to any convention seminar or what ever, all the money I use doesn't come from my jobs check nor my amway check. So if I have two checks that pay my bills how am I lossing money? I pay for my trips, education, and fun from my direct sales so that I don't take out money from the checks I need to pay my every day bills.

  And about my uplines (emerals, and up) making money of off me and my down lines, well guess what, someone is gonna do it! If I buy all my books from a book store guess who is making a profit, not me, the book store is. So if my uplines are spending their time making cds, buying books to sale to us, and are the once promoting everything than someone has to pay them for all the work. IT DOEST MATER WHERE OR WHO I BUY THEM OFF OF THEY WILL ALWAYS BE MAKING SOMETHING OFF OF ME!!!! So the only way to actualy fight this is to get to emeral and start making money my self. And buy the way, I have a few people in my down lines that don't speak spanish and my emerals told me I would have to creat a system for them because they don't have one right now, so yes they said to make one.

  Are you some kind of book store owner and you are pissed off you book sales have dropped and some else is taking your profit?