IS AMWAY A SCAM?

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• The idea is to EDUCATE people about Amway, not simply dismiss Amway. Otherwise, the upline will merely label you as "broke loser" and be able to scam others.

• Great thoughts you have there Explorer. The expansion of Amway into the Hispanic/Asian communities is necessary for any business looking to grow (such as the economic boom that is happening in China). However, in this case, I agree with you (and hope) that this is the last struggle for Amway before it sinks in the water. Amway dying = less people loosing money.

  rverdin, congratulations for being one of the few, in all of the various MLMs, to be making a net profit. Now, I have studied and been on enough forums to hear many claims like yours. I ask one thing from you, and you definitely don't have to provide it, but there is nothing more solid to back up a claim than proof. You say you have been in the business 7 months now, so this is your first tax year running your own business. Soon, you will have to prepare a Schedule C for the business, listing your total costs, expenses and income. I have always asked this from "successful" entrepreneurs in MLMs (and many others like me have asked for) but never received one.

  Yes, your tax information is between you and the IRS. But when investors look at businesses to evaluate, those businesses must provide financial documents to prove their profitability. Now I ask, do you accept my request?

• Explorer - you mention reading blogs about a "lack of Amway growth" in North America. Be careful what you read. Many of those blogs are run by the same person, and he's often stating things like that and usually completely wrong!

  There's been a couple of years in the past decade or so when North American sales decreased, both were preceded by Amway kicking out a significant group of leaders (TIF and TEAM), who took many of the group with them to other ventures. All businesses have there are ups and downs, some self-inflicted, some as a result of general economic conditions. Amway is no different.

  Yes, there's plenty of new Hispanic leaders. Also many with Korean background. Also many whose families have been in the US for generations. Amway North America is enjoying double digit growth, a step decline in one to two years? I've been reading claims like that for years.

  Heck, back in the early 80's a Diamond by the name of Robert Stonelake sold his business because there was a slump and he thought the Amway ride was all over. That business is now one of the largest and most profitable businesses in the world and includes some of the biggest Amway businesses in North America and the World.

  Mi nombre se - you are correct that "when investors look at businesses to evaluate, those businesses must provide financial documents to prove their profitability". I must have missed where rverdin was offering his business for sale?

• ibofb,

  How more smarmy could you be? Mi nombrre se wasn't asking whether rverdin's business was for sale, he was asking for evidence of rverdin making a net profit. You know, the central question you refuse to answer? LOL

• Be careful about what ibofb says. He has no credibility and struggles with honesty:

  http://www.amquix.info/steadson_amway_zealot.html

  http://network21amway.blogspot.com/2011/04/truth-about-amway.html

• No, Steve, I don't struggle with honesty at all. Being honest is easy for me, it's my natural state of being. I struggle with dishonesty - such as that exhibited by you and others on sites you like to promote.

• ibofb,

  Why don't you open up the lies jc committed when he said he didn't post on the World Sex Guide?

• The personal issues of ibofightback, joecool and tex aside, from what I've read here, the Amway business opportunity is questionable at best. If I understand the discussion correctly, only a few can be successful while the bottom of the pyramid IBO's churn and churn and lose money. It looks like the IBO's on top of the pyramid and the ones who sell the tools are the real winners and the rest are just participants in a lose lose situation.

• Guest,

  The "personal issues" are directly related to who is telling the truth and who is lying, so I wouldn't be so quick to push this issue aside.

  However, you are right about your overall conclusions.

• Guest, you may understand the discussion correctly but that doesn't mean your conclusion is correct - primarily because of the all too common misinformation posted on threads like this.

  There is nothing inherent in the Amway business model that means every single person who has registered with Amway can't be "successful".**

  The vast majority of people who join gyms to get fit do not get fit. That doesn't mean exercise isn't a good way to get fit.

  (**at least not that isn't inherent in other businesses as well)